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Aug. 1.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir Ste. Fox, Mr.
Pelham.
[Write] the officers of the Exchequer to take in guineas at
2s. on the loans of the Hereditary Excise and Post Office till
Saturday next at night. [The letter written by Jephson accordingly
hereupon to the Auditor of the Receipt is as follows : the
Treasury Lords desire you to signify to the Tellers that till to-morrow
inclusive they receive guineas at 1l. 2s. 0d. each from
the City of London and from any other person that shall lend
any money on the credit of the unappropriated revenue of Excise
or of the Post Office ; and that the respective officers do attend
forenoon and afternoon.]
[Order for] 400l. to be issued to the Treasurer of the Ordnance
to be by him imprested to Sir Robert Holms for the fortifications
at the Isle of Wight.
Mr. Richball's business and the Earl of Ranelagh's to be put
off to to-morrow week.
[Treasury Minute Book 99/1, p. 97.]
[Out Letters (General) XII, p. 334.] |
Aug. 1,
afternoon.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : all my Lords.
Minutes taken upon the hearing between Mr. Ryley, the Surveyor
of the Woods, Trent South, and Mr. Dickens, the Woodward
of New Forest. Mr. Dickens says he has no counsel and objects
against counsel on the other side. The point is whether the
surveyor or the woodward ought to be the accountant [for wood
sales in New Forest]. Major Dickens says he ought to be (1) by
his patent, (2) by common usage. The words of his patent are
ad omnia exercenda and as amply as any former warrants ita
quod of all the profits etc. of the said woods he shall answer to
the Receiver General of the county etc. Then it's an ancient
office ; there can be no regard without the woodward's presentments
are made by the regarders and him ; he's a sworn officer ;
and if he be an accountant he must have the ancient fees, which
are certified by the officers of the forest to be 4d. per tree and
1s. in the £ by the buyers and the bark of all trees felled ; they say
he always kept the axe.
The Serjeant [Ryley] objects that for the bark he [Ryley]
ought to be answerable (1) because no officer of the forest can
claim what was once part of the inheritance [of the Crown].
(2) This would open a gap to all other woodwards. If he has
taken the 4d. and 12d., taking does not make a right ; he must
show some title.
Dickens [quotes] Jones's 'Reports,' 281, 282, a woodward
may prescribe to fees : and he [Dickens] claims these by
prescription and proves his prescription by certificate of the
officers. In 1633 Lapp claimed these fees at a seat of the Justice
in Eyre.
Ryley reads a privy seal of Charles I, taking notice of the
destruction of the woods in this forest by the officers and
forbidding the same for the future. Dickens says this speaks
of the keepers and inhabitants, not the woodward.
Ryley [quotes] a warrant of 3 Aug., 1614, directing the bark
to be sold for the King. Dickens says the warrant was directed
to the surveyor, not to the woodward.
Ryley says the bark in 1664 amounted to 300l. itself and says
he does not claim the 4d. and 12d., but is allowed barely 12d.
per £ in his account to the King. Dickens says he is paid the
12d. by the buyer ; the surveyor [is paid] the same by the King.
My Lords ask Mr. Ryly if he can disprove the certificate which
says the woodward had that fee constantly. Ryley produces a
certificate from two regarders, two keepers and several gentlemen
and the understeward, attesting that upon several sales no fees
were paid to the woodward. Dickens says the woodward was
not at the sales : reads a certificate shewing what sales have been
made by the woodwards, viz. 33l. 6s. 6d. in 1st of Mary ; that
he repaired lodges not exceeding 40s. each, and if repairs [were]
more then he had warrants for them ; that he had warrants since
the Restoration to raise money for fortifications, repairs etc.
upon which the Lord Treasurer allowed him 500l. Ryley says
this was procured by interest of a great man in favour of Sir
John Norton, then woodward ; that the generality of precedents
are otherwise ; that the Earl of Danby, Lord Treasurer, upon a
hearing in 1678 determined all great sales should be by the surveyor ;
on the 29th Nov., 1680, the Treasury Lords forbid the
woodward to obstruct sales on pretence of fees.
Dickens read some orders of the Treasury in which his fees are
saved ; reads a letter of Lord Clifford and Sir John Duncombe
that the warrants should be directed to the woodward.
My Lords are satisfied he ought not to have the bark upon
reading divers warrants. The question remains only as to the
12d. per £ and what warrants shall be directed to the surveyor
and what to the woodward.
Dickens desires that the warrants for repairing lodges may be
executed by him. My Lords will consider of this.
Having heard both parties on the difference between them
concerning the felling and sale of timber and wood in said forest
and the receiving the money upon sales and accounting for same
and the fees claimed thereon by them respectively, and having
considered the respective precedents, my Lords resolve and
determine that all warrants for marking and felling of timber
or woods in the said forest exceeding 200l. in value (whether
the same be for the Navy, the Works or to raise money for any
other purpose, only excepting the warrants for the keepers'
wages, which now amount to 300l. per an.) shall be directed to
the Surveyor of Woods [Trent South] only, but to be executed
by him in the presence and with the assistance of some of the
verderers or regarders and of the woodward, joining [thereto]
an officer of the Navy when it shall be thought meet. And all
the moneys which shall be raised upon the aforesaid warrants
shall be received by the surveyor and accounted for by him
only : and in respect of such wood sales he shall have his whole
fee of 12d. in the £ and [such] other allowances upon his account
as have been usual : [further] that all warrants for marking and
felling of timber or wood not exceeding 200l. in value for repairs
of lodges and the like services and the said warrant for [felling
timber to raise] the keepers' wages shall be directed to the woodward,
who shall receive the money and account for same : [further]
that upon all wood sales made in the said forest either by the
surveyor or the woodward, be they great or small, the woodward
shall have only 6d. in the £ from the buyer and 4d. for the marking
of every tree, also from the buyer, and no more, and that he
is not to have the bark in any case : and the said poundage is to
be received only where money is to be raised by sales and not
where the timber or wood is felled for the Navy or Works or to
be otherwise employed without being sold.
Followed by a later entry dated 1690, Aug. 20 : "My Lords do
make the same determination as to Whittlewood Forest."
[Treasury Minute Book 99/1, pp. 97, 105-8.] |
Aug. 4.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : Vice Chamberlain, Chancellor of the Exchequer,
Sir Ste. Fox.
My Lords being informed that there are great quantities of
tea and coffee on board some ships belonging to the East India
Company not yet landed nor entered do direct the Customs Commissioners
to take care thereof, and to enquire into it and report.
[Write the Auditor of the Receipt that] the officers of the
Receipt are to take in guineas on loan from any persons at 2s.
(at the rate of 1l. 2s. 0d. each on the credit of the unappropriated
Excise or Post Office revenue) until Thursday next inclusive.
Write the Treasurer of the Navy to send an account with all
speed of what he has received for the service of the Navy by
tallies or otherwise from Lady day last to Midsummer last.
Write the Navy Commissioners to send an account of the state
of the whole debt of the Navy.
[Ibid, p. 98.]
[Out Letters (General) XII, p. 336.] |
Aug. 6.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir Ste. Fox, Mr.
Pelham.
Write the Commissioners of the Revenue of Ireland that Sir C.
Meredith and Mr. Ford be paid the same salaries with the rest
of the Commissioners : to begin from Midsummer last.
The late Commissioners of the Victualling to attend next
Friday afternoon.
[Treasury Minute Book 99/1, p. 99.] |
afternoon.
Present : all my Lords.
Mr. Robinson, the Chamberlain [of the City of London], to
attend on Friday morning next.
Mr. Newcomb, Receiver to the late Bishop of Ely, desires he
may not be put to give other security than his own bond. My
Lords insist that he must give other. He proposes Mr. Daniel
Barton at Snow Hill. My Lords refer it to Mr. Knight to inquire
into his sufficiency.
[Ibid.] |
Aug. 8.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : Sir John Lowther, Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr.
Pelham.
Sir Samuel Dashwood [is called in]. My Lords order that
tallies be struck to discharge the bills for money received of
their officers [as late Commissioners of Excise and Hearthmoney]
by Mr. Harbord, the Navy and Mr. Blathwaite.
Letters to be written to the Earl of Devonshire, Sir Hen. Goodrick,
Sir John Guise, Mr. Rowe and others who took money
from the officers of Excise and Hearthmoney etc. (officers of
the revenue) in the [interim of the] Revolution, to pass their
accounts, that so the [respective] offices (officers) may be discharged.
(Letters hereon dated Aug. 15 accordingly.)
The Chamberlain [of the City of London] says he can bring
no more loans but on the 2s. [Aid] Act.
My Lords order the enlargement of Edward Carter, who is
in Aylesbury gaol for debt ; he to give bond to the King for
his debt.
The Queen Dowager to have 750l. a week on her pensions from
this time and the odd 52l. 8s. 10d. to be comprehended in one of
the weeks till there is paid 1,500l. at the Exchequer and
3,052l. 8s. 10d. at the Excise Office for last Midsummer quarter.
A warrant to be provided for the 1,500l. and a letter for the
whole.
[Treasury Minute Book 99/1, p. 100.]
[Out Letters (General) XII, p. 344b.] |
Aug. 8,
afternoon.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : Sir John Lowther, Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr.
Pelham.
[No entry of any minute.]
[Treasury Minute Book 99/1, p. 100.] |
Aug. 11.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : ut supra.
The Wine Licence Commissioners are to make a proposal,
if they think fit, for [a renewal of] the Commission of the Wine
Licences upon [their] advancing a sum of money : and this they
are to do by this day week (Monday next) or my Lords will receive
proposals from other people. Write them to this effect.
Mr. Herne and Mr. Evance will lend 4,000l. on the fund of the
unappropriated Excise (struck through) Post Office. This sum
is to be issued to the Treasurer of the Ordnance, as also 2,500l.
out of the money reserved in the Exchequer. Both these sums
the said Treasurer is to pay over to said Herne and Evance for
bills for the value [thereof] payable to Visct. Dursley in Holland.
[Ibid, p. 101.]
[Out Letters (General) XII, p. 342.] |
Aug. 12.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : ut supra.
[No entry of any minute.]
[Treasury Minute Book 99/1, p. 102.] |
Aug. 13.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir Ste. Fox, Mr.
Pelham.
Mr. Herne and Mr. Evance are called in. They propose to my
Lords to have an allowance of 2 per cent gratuity for the 12,500l.
they have returned [by bills of exchange] for their Majesties to
Holland. My Lords don't think fit to allow it for the 4,500l.
that has been paid them in money ; but for the 8,000l. they
lent on the Excise and Post Office my Lords do allow them the
said gratuity : to be paid out of secret service.
The [Principal] Officers of the Navy are called in and are ordered
to prepare with all speed an account of all moneys received and
disbursed for the service of the Navy from 1688, Dec. 25, to be
laid before Parliament. They promise to do it in a month at
farthest.
The officers of the Ordnance [are] called [in] and are ordered
the same and they promise to do it in the like time.
The like order to the Commissioners of the Transports.
The Queen having been pleased to give to the Commissioners
for the Poor Irish 1,000l. to enable them to return for Ireland,
my Lords will give them a tally on the fund of the Excise which
the city made their last loan on.
A debt due to Mr. Ingram on the balance of his account, as in
Mr. Fox's memorial brought in this day, [is presented]. My
Lords will give him a tally on the 12d. [Aid] Act [payable in
course] after Mr. Fillingham's money that he has lent.
Mr. Hughs [is] called in and [is] offered the [sede vacante] receipt
of the temporalities of the bishopric of Bath and Wells. He
accepts of it and is to give security forthwith and be constituted.
[Treasury Minute Book 99/1, p. 103.] |
Aug. 15.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : all my Lords.
Mr. Blathwayte to attend on Monday afternoon next about
the silver taken up in the West Indies.
Monsieur Vanderesch to attend at the same time about a letter
from Mr. Henly and the money for the poor wives and soldiers.
Mr. Richbald etc. to be heard on Monday week next. Desire
the Earl of Ranelagh to be here then.
Major Wildman to be ordered to register the tallies of loan
struck on the Post Office.
The Exchequer to take [in on loan] 6,500l. in guineas at 2s.
[1l. 2s. 0d.] which Mr. Evance will lend on the Post Office.
[Ibid, p. 104.] |
Aug. 18.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chamber. |
Present : ut supra.
[No entry of any minute.]
[Ibid, p. 105.] |
Aug. 20.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : ut supra.
The [Navy] Victuallers are to have 500l. a week : to commence
this week and to continue till Nov. 1 next : to be paid out of
the growing [accruing] Customs.
[Ibid, p. 110.] |
Aug. 22.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : ut supra.
Ordered that one month's pay be issued to the Earl of Ranelagh
for the six Regiments that are now to embark at Portsmouth,
amounting to 1,773l. 0s. 0d., and a fortnight's subsistence to the
soldiers [there] of [viz.] 2,151l. 6s. 0d., or in all 3,924l. 6s. 0d. Also
that there be issued to Mr. Fox two months' pay for the Regiments
of Beaumont and Hastings, being likewise to embark, viz. 1,171l.
and a fortnight's subsistence [to same], viz. 715l. 14s. 0d., making
together 1,886l. 14s. 0d.
The officers of the Exchequer are to take guineas at 2s. [1l. 2s. 0d.]
till this day week inclusive upon loans on the unappropriated
[revenue of the] Excise and Post Office.
[Treasury Minute Book 99/1, p. 111.] |
Aug. 22,
afternoon.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : all my Lords.
Mr. Bridges to attend on Monday afternoon next.
The proposals [concerning the Commission] of the Wine Licences
are read at the Board and my Lords do accept of and agree to
the proposal of Mr. Evance [et al.] and a warrant is to be prepared
accordingly.
Mr. Hughs undertakes the [sede vacante] receipt of the
temporalities of the bishopric of Bath and Wells and my Lords
agree to allow him 12d. in the £ for all moneys paid into the
Exchequer upon his receipt and [he also] to have his patent
fee of 10l. per an.
[Ibid.] |
Aug. 25.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : Vice Chamberlain, Chancellor of the Exchequer,
Sir Ste. Fox.
[No entry of any minute.]
[Ibid, p. 112.] |
afternoon.
Present : ut supra.
Alderman Herne is called in about remitting 5,000l. to Visct.
Dursley and desires 2l. per cent gratuity for the whole. My
Lords agree that for the 3,400l. [part thereof, being] lent
on the Post Office [revenue] he shall have 2 per cent
gratuity.
[Ibid.] |
Aug. 27.
Whitehall,
Treasury
Chambers. |
Present : ut supra.
Mr. Bridges is called in. He asks money towards the furnishing
provisions for 30,000 men for 20 days according to the orders
he has received for that service from the Committee for the Affairs
of Ireland. My Lords appoint him at present 2,000l. in part
and will next week give him the remainder or [will give] other
orders in this business.
Whereas my Lords by warrant dated 1690, Aug. 8, did appoint
Aaron Smith, together with Isaac Marryot, jointly and not otherwise,
to take attornments of the tenants, possessors and proprietors
of several hereditaments in the county of Surrey and elsewhere
which were demised by the late King James to the said Isaac
Marryot ; and whereas upon reading a petition of divers of the
said tenants etc. that the said warrant might be discharged
my Lords did order said Smith to offer his objections to said
petition, my Lords this day, upon hearing of the said Smith that
he hath no objection against the said petitioners' request, do
direct and appoint that the said warrant be absolutely discharged
and that all parties be left to the law.
[Ibid, p. 113.] |
