House of Lords Journal Volume 3: 12 March 1624

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DIE Veneris, videlicet, 12 die Martii,

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales, quorum nomina subscribuntur, præsentes fuerunt;

p. Carolus Princeps Walliæ, etc.

p. Archiepus. Cant.
Archiepus. Eborum.
p. Epus. London.
p. Epus. Dunelm.
p. Epus. Winton.
Epus. Petriburg.
p. Epus. Hereforden.
Epus. Wigorn.
Epus. Norwicen.
Epus. Roffen.
Epus. Glocestren.
Epus. Carlien.
p. Epus. Co. et Lich.
p. Epus. Bath. et W.
p. Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Elien.
Epus. Cicestren.
p. Epus. Oxon.
p. Epus. Cestren.
p. Epus. Landaven.
p. Epus. Sarum.
p. Epus. Exon.
p. Epus. Meneven.
p. Epus. Bristol.
Epus. Asaphen.		 p. Epus. Lincoln, Ds. Custos Mag. Sigilli.
p. Comes Midd. Mag. Thesaurar. Angliæ.
p. Vicecomes Maundevill, Præs. Concilii Dom. Reg.
p. Comes Wigorn, Ds. Custos Privati Sigilli.
Dux Buck. Magnns Admiral. Angliæ.
Marchio Winton.
Comes Oxon. Magnus Camer. Angliæ.
p. Comes Arundell et Surr. Comes Marese. Angliæ.
p. Comes Cantabr. Senesc. Hospitii.
Comes Pembroc. Camer. Hospitii.
Comes North.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Salop.
Comes Kanciæ.
Comes Derbiæ.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Cumbriæ.
Comes Sussex.
Comes Huntingdon.
Comes Bath.
p. Comes South'lon.
Comes Bedd.
Comes Hertford.
p. Comes Essex.
p. Comes Lincoln.
Comes Suffolciæ.
p. Comes Dorset.
p. Comes Sarum.
Comes Exon.
Comes Mountgomery.
p. Comes Bridgewater.
p. Comes Leicestriæ.
p. Comes North'ton.
p. Comes Warwic.
p. Comes Devon.
Comes March.
Comes Holdernesse.
p. Comes Carlile.
p. Comes Denbigh.
Comes Bristol.
p. Comes Anglisey.
Vicecomes Mountague.
p. Vicecomes Wallingford.
Vicecomes Purbecke.
Vicecomes Maunsfeild.
Vicecomes Colchester.
p. Vicecomes Rochford.
p. Vicecomes Andever.
Ds. Abergavenny.
Ds. Audley.
Ds. Zouch.
p. Ds. Willoughby de E.
p. Ds. Delaware.
p. Ds. Berkley.
p. Ds. Morley et M.
Ds. Dacres de H.
Ds. Stafford.
Ds. Scroope.
p. Ds. Duddeley.
p. Ds. Stourton.
Ds. Herbert de Sh.
Ds. Darcy de M.
Ds. Vaux.
Ds. Windsore.
p. Ds. Wentworth.
Ds. Mordant.
Ds. St. John de Bas.
Ds. Cromewell.
Ds. Evre.
p. Ds. Sheffeild.
p. Ds. Paget.
Ds. North.
p. Ds. St. John de (fn. 1) Bl.
p. Ds. Howard de W.
Ds. Wootton.
p. Ds. Russell.
Ds. Grey de Groby.
Ds. Petre.
Ds. Danvers.
p. Ds. Spencer.
p. Ds. Say et Seale.
p. Ds. Denny.
Ds. Stanhope de H.
Ds. Carew.
Ds. Arundell de W.
Ds. Haughton.
Ds. Teynham.
Ds. Stanhope de Sh.
p. Ds. Noel.
p. Ds. Brooke.
p. Ds. Mountague.
p. Ds. Cary de Lep.
Ds. Kensington.
p. Ds. Grey de Werke.

Lady Dudley to assure Killingworth to the Prince of Wales.

THE Lord President reported the Bill, An Act to enable Dame Alice Dudley to assure her Estate in the Manor of Killingworth, and other Lands, in the County of Warwick, for valuable Consideration, to the Prince his Highness and his Heirs; that the Committees found the Bill fit to pass, with one Addition thereunto added; the which Addition was presently Twice read, and the Bill Ordered to be ingrossed with the said Addition.

Sir Richard Lumley to sell Lands for certain Uses.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, An Act to enable Sir Richard Lumley; Knight, to sell divers Manors and Lands, for the Payment of his Debts, and Preferment of his younger Children; and committed unto the

L. Privy Seal.
E. of Warwick.
L. Bp. of Duresme.
L. Bp. of Hereford.		 L. Pagett.
L. Denny.
L. Mountague.
L. Grey of Werke.

Mr. Serjeant Crooke to attend the Lords.

To meet To-morrow Morning, at Eight, in the Little Committee Chamber.

River Thames navigable to Oxford.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the making of the River of Thames navigable for Barges, Boats, and Lighters, from the Village of Bercott, in the County of Oxon unto the University and City of Oxon; and committed unto the

L. Archbp. of Cant.
E. of Leicester.
L. Viscount Wallingford.
L. Bp. of Bath and W.		 L. Bp. of Oxon.
L. Wentworth.
L. Spencer.
L. Say et S.
L. Brooke.

And the Lord Chamberlain is to be added, if he come.

The Lord Chief Baron,
Mr. Serjeant Davis,
Mr. Serjeant Crooke,		 To attend the Lords.

The Time of Meeting is not yet appointed.

Against Prophane Swearing.

Hodie the Earl of North'ton reported the Bill, An Act to prevent and reform prophane Swearing and Cursing, as fit to pass without any Alteration. And being put to the Question, was Assented unto, and so Expedited.

Manor of Painswick.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the Confirmation of a Decree in Chancery, made by the Consent of the Lord of the Manor of Painswick, in the County of Glouc. and the Customary Tenants of the same Manor; and committed unto the

L. Privy Seal.
L. Viscount Andever.
L. Bp. of Hereford.
L. Bp. of Landaff.		 L. Wylloughby.
L. Delaware.
L. Berkeley.
L. Darcy of M.

Mr. Attorney General to attend the Lords.

To meet at Two this Afternoon, in the Council Chamber at Whiteball.

Report from the Conference of Yesterday.

The Lord President reported that which past at the Conference Yesterday at Noon with the Commons in the Painted Chamber: videlicet,

"His Highness's Speech was framed upon Two Doubts:

"The First conceived here;

"The Second propounded by himself:

"And then his Highness used an Heroic Speech at last.

"First, his Highness told them, That my Lord Treasurer, by His Majesty's Command, had delivered to the Lords the present Necessity upon the King's Estate.

"Whereupon a Doubt arising among their Lordships, what the King's End might be therein; his Highness thought fit to give his own Sense thereof, and, lest the like Doubt might also have risen amongst them, the Lords had commanded him (as his Highness was pleased to say) to declare as much unto them, which is thus:

"That the King did not intend, by that Declaration, that we should presently enter into present Consideration of relieving His Estate, but to let us see and know, that He could not of Himself, and upon His own Estate, maintain the War that might ensue upon our Advices; but intended that, in the first Place, we should provide for the Defence and Safety of the Kingdom; and, when we had resolved this first, then it should appear a Thing of no great Difficulty to settle the King's Estate in His due Time.

"And this was for Resolution of the First Doubt.

"Another Doubt his Highness moved of himself: videlicet, It may be, some may fear and conceive, that, when these Things shall be settled, the King would be slow to call us together again. For this his Highness would have them to call to Mind the latter Part of the King's Answer, It should not be His Default, if He were not in Love with Parliaments; and that, having Occasion lately to send unto the King, he found His Majesty willing, and very willing, to call us often to meet in Parliament. But Three Things his Highness wished them to consider:

"1. How far this Business was gone on already.

"2. How far the Year was run on.

"3. How far we have exasperated those whom we conceive may be our Enemies (Three good Items.)

"Therefore, it was fit to use Expedition, and so to provide, that we might not only shew our Teeth and do no more; but also be able to bite, when there should be Cause.

"One Thing more the Prince added; but this he told them, they must take as spoken from himself, and certainly it was Principe dignum, a most Heroical Speech: videlicet,

"Gentlemen, I pray you think seriously of this Business; take it to Heart, and consider in it, First, my Father's Honour; Secondly, mine, and more particularly mine, because it is my new entering into the World: If in this ye shall fail me, ye shall not only dishonour and discourage me, but bring Dishonour upon yourselves. But, if ye go on with Courage, and shew Alacrity and Readiness in this Business, ye shall so oblige me unto you now, that I will never forget it hereafter; and, when Time doth serve, ye shall find your Loves and your Labours well bestowed."

Which Report the Lord President ended thus:

"This Conclusion did so take us, That we all prayed God to bless him, as we had just Cause to honour him."

Message from the H. C. concerning great Remittances out of the Kingdom.

Message from the Commons, by Sir Edward Cecill, Knight: That they have received certain Information of great Sums of Gold to be transported beyond Seas by Bills of Exchange, and, as they conceive, by the Papists; whereof they thought good to acquaint their Lordships (in whose Power it is to redress the same), as their Lordships may take such Order therein as they shall think good.

Answer.

Answered, That the Lords return them hearty Thanks for their great Care to acquaint their Lordships with these Particulars; and they promise with all Speed to redress the same; and these Lords, videlicet,

Committee to stop the Exportation of Money.

L. Treasurer.
L. President.
D. of Buck.
E. Marshal.
E. of South'ton.
L. Bp. of London.
L. Bp. of Durham.
L. Bp. of Winchester.		 L. Bp. of Co. & Lich.
L. Wentworth.
L. Sheffeild.
L. Russell.
L. Spencer.
L. Say & S.
L. Denny.
L. Brooke.
L. Mountague.

Were appointed to meet presently, in the Little Committee Chamber, and to take some speedy Course for Stay of Transportation of Money; and to make Enquiry by whom Money hath been exchanged.

Message to the H. C. for a Conference concerning giving His Majesty Assistance.

Message from the Commons, by Sir Richard Weston and others: That the Knights, Citizens, and Burgesses of the Commons House of Parliament, having taken into their mature Deliberation the King's Answer, given unto the Advice of both Houses on Friday last (the 5th of this Instant March), they have resolved, with great Alacrity and unanimous Consent, to give His Majesty Assistance; and, out of the Correspondency which they desire to hold with this House, they desire a Conference, humbly leaving the Number of Committees, and Time and Place, to their Lordships Appointment.

Answered.

The Lords presently named a Committee of Six of a Bench for this Conference; and then it was answered:

That the Lords take in good Part this great and continued Correspondency, and have appointed a Committee of Twenty-four, to meet with a Committee of theirs this Afternoon, at Two, in the Painted Chamber; and, for that some emergent Occasions may happen, which will require the Advice of the House, their Lordships have agreed to sit this Afternoon.

The Names of this Committee: videlicet,

Committee for the Conference.

L. Archbp. of Cant.
L. Treasurer.
L. President.
L. Privy Seal.
L. D. of Buck.
L. Steward.
E. Marshal.
L. Chamberlain.
E. of South'ton.
L. Bp. of London.
L. Bp. of Duresm.
L. Bp. of Winchester.		 L. Bp. of Co. & Lich.
L. Bp. of Bath and W.
L. Willoughby of E.
L. Darcy of M.
L. Wentworth.
L. Sheffeild.
L. St. John of Bletso.
L. Walden.
L. Russell.
L. Say & Seale.
L. Denny.
L. Brooke.
L. Mountague.
L. Cary of Lep.

Mr. Attorney General to attend the Lords.

Adjourn.

Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in pomeridianum hujus diei, hora tertia, Dominis sic decernentibus.

Post meridiem,

Domini tam Spirituales quam Temporales, quorum nomina subscribuntur, præsentes fuerunt:

Carolus Princeps Walliæ, etc.

p. Archiepus. Cant.
Archiepus. Eborum.
p. Epus. London.
p. Epus. Dunelm.
p. Epus. Winton.
Epus. Petriburgh.
p. Epus. Hereforden.
Epus. Wigorn.
Epus. Norwicen.
Epus. Rossen.
Epus. Glocestren.
Epus. Carlien.
p. Epus. Co. et Lich.
p. Epus. Bath. et W.
p. Epus. Bangor.
Epus. Elien.
Epus. Cicestren.
p. Epus. Oxon.
p. Epus. Cestren.
p. Epus. Landaven.
p. Epus. Sarum.
p. Epus. Exon.
p. Epus. Meneven.
p. Epus. Bristol.
Epus. Asaphen.		 p. Epus. Lincoln, Ds. Cust. Mag. Sigilli.
p. Comes Midd. Mag. Thesaur. Angliæ.
p. Vicecomes Maundevill, Præs. Concilii Domini Regis.
p. Comes Wigorn, Ds. Cust. Privati Sigilli.
p. Dux Buck. Mag. Admirall. Angliæ.
Marchio Winton.
p. Comes Oxon, Magnus Camer. Angliæ.
p. Comes Arundell et Surr. Comes Maresc. Angliæ.
p. Comes Cantabr. Senesc. Hospitii.
Comes Pembroc, Camer. Hospitii.
Comes Northumbriæ.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Salop.
Comes Kanciæ.
Comes Derbiæ.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Cumbriæ.
Comes Sussex.
Comes Huntingdon.
Comes Bath.
p. Comes South'ton.
Comes Bedd.
Comes Hertford.
p. Comes Essex.
p. Comes Lincoln.
Comes Suffolciæ.
p. Comes Dorset.
p. Comes Sarum.
Comes Exon.
Comes Mountgomery.
p. Comes Bridgwater.
Comes Leicestriæ.
p. Comes North'ton.
Comes Warwic.
Comes Devon.
Comes March.
Comes Holdernesse.
p. Comes Carlile.
p. Comes Denbigh.
Comes Bristol.
p. Comes Anglisey.
Vicecomes Mountague.
Vicecomes Wallingford.
Vicecomes Purbecke.
Vicecomes Maunsfeild.
Vicecomes Colchester.
p. Vicecomes Rochford.
p. Vicecomes Andever.
Ds. Abergavenny.
Ds. Audley.
Ds. Zouch.
p. Ds. Willoughby de E.
p. Ds. Delaware.
Ds. Berkley.
Ds. Morley et M.
Ds. Dacres de Herst.
Ds. Stafford.
Ds. Scroope.
p. Ds. Duddeley.
p. Ds. Stourton.
Ds. Herbert de Sh.
p. Ds. Darcy de M.
Ds. Vaux.
Ds. Windsore.
p. Ds. Wentworth.
p. Ds. Mordant.
Ds. St. John de Ba.
Ds. Cromewell.
Ds. Evre.
p. Ds. Sheffeild.
p. Ds. Paget.
Ds. North.
p. Ds. St. John de * Bl.
p. Ds. Howard de W.
Ds. Wootton.
p. Ds. Russell.
Ds. Grey de Groby.
p. Ds. Petre.
Ds. Danvers.
p. Ds. Spencer.
p. Ds. Say et Seale.
p. Ds. Denny.
Ds. Stanhope de H.
Ds. Carew.
Ds. Arundell de W.
Ds. Haughton.
Ds. Teynham.
Ds. Stanhope de Sh.
p. Ds. Noel.
p. Ds. Brooke.
p. Ds. Mountague.
p. Ds. Cary de Lep.
Ds. Kensington.
p. Ds. Grey de Werke.

THE Lords Committees went to the Conference with the Commons into the Painted Chamber.

Report from the Conference concerning Assistance to His Majesty.

Being returned, the Lord Archbishop of Cant. reported, That the Committee of the Commons were first commanded to address their hearty Thanks unto the Prince his Highness, for his Speech unto their Committee at their last Meeting, wherein they took much Joy and Comfort; and to assure him, that they will be ever very tender of his Highness's Honour.

Then, that they have concurred, with one unanimous Consent, to the Assistance of His Majesty, whensoever His Majesty shall be pleased to declare Himself touching the breaking off the two Treaties with Spaine; that they have drawn up a Model of that which they intend to present unto His Majesty; and (for good Correspondency) they have brought the same to be allowed of here; with such Amendments in the Introduction only as their Lordships shall please.

Mr. Attorney read the same; and the Lords did give their Consent to the Substance of this Demonstration, by a general Vote of the House.

But Agreed, To amend the same in the Introduction; for that it is in the Name of the Commons only.

To which End, the Lords Committees went again into the Painted Chamber, where the Commons attended: And being returned;

The Lord Archbishop of Cant. reported the Amendment of this Demonstration accordingly; and that they had Agreed, That the same be thus presented unto His Majesty by the said Committee of both Houses, at such Time as His Majesty shall be pleased to admit them to His Presence.

Mr. Attorney read the same (as it was altered) in bæc verba: videlicet,

Address of both Houses to the King, advising a Rupture with Spain, and promising Assistance.

"May it please Your most Excellent Majesty.

"We Your Majesty's most humble and loyal Subjects, the [Lords and] Commons in this present Parliament assembled, having lately received and taken into our serious Consideration Your gracious and prudent Answer given to the unanimous and humble Advice presented to Your Majesty in the Name of both Houses, That the Two Treaties (the one of the Marriage, the other of the Palatinate) might be dissolved; do in all Humbleness render unto Your Majesty our most dutiful Thanks, that You have been pleased to take into so good Part the Manner of our Proceedings in that weighty Business, as likewise graciously to intimate Your Royal Inclination not to reject that Counsel which Yourself was pleased to ask, and which accordingly hath been humbly offered unto Your Majesty, in the Name of Your whole Kingdom.

"And whereas, in Your Princely Wisdom, You have made known unto us, that Your own Treasure, by Reason of Your extraordinary Charge and Expence at this Time, is too much exhausted, for Your Majesty, by Your own Means, to support a War (which haply may follow upon the Breach of these Treaties), we do most humbly beseech Your Majesty, that neither that nor any other Consideration may hinder Your present Resolution; for, with a most chearful and universal Consent (no one disagreeing), we do, with dutiful and zealous Affections, assure Your Majesty, and hereby manifest and declare, That, in Pursuit of our Advice (upon Your Majesty's Declaration made to dissolve both the said Treaties, the deferring whereof may prove dangerous), we will be ready, in a Parliamentary Manner, with our Persons and Abilities, to assist Your Majesty."

The Lords Agreed, That the Lord Archbishop of Cant. shall read this Demonstration to the King.

Adjourn.

Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem crastinum, videlicet, 13m diem instantis Martii, hora nona, Dominis sic decernentibus.

Footnotes

  • 1. Origin. Bas.
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