Henry VIII: August 1529, 22-25 | British History Online

Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 4, 1524-1530. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1875.

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'Henry VIII: August 1529, 22-25', in Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 4, 1524-1530, ed. J S Brewer( London, 1875), British History Online https://prod.british-history.ac.uk/letters-papers-hen8/vol4/pp2620-2627 [accessed 16 November 2024].

August 1529



22 Aug. R. O.	5861. MORETTE to WOLSEY.
	Has written to the bishop of Bayonne to request of you the payment of 6,000 cr. of the sun, of which the King has made Morette a present. Has deferred this request, considering the expences of the war, expecting to obtain payment through Wolsey's kindness out of the contribution made by Henry to the king of France. Must provide the money by the 15th Sept. next, to pay for an estate that he has bought. The bishop of Bayonne will tell him of the journey Morette has to undertake for the affairs of the two kingdoms. Paris, 22 Aug. Signed.
	Fr., p. 1. Add. Endd.
23 Aug. Le Grand, III. 337.	5862. DU BELLAY to MONTMORENCY.
	Although I should have nothing worth writing to the King, my brother and I think right to write a word o you, for a reason that he explains to you at length, until we are entered on the matter, and can notify the King and Madame. I see Francis does not wish me to leave before the ratification of the treaty arrives. This is a thing hard for me to bear, not for my own private interests, which I would not urge, but for the following reason: On the return of Suffolk, Wolsey complained to the King that the Duke had put him out of favor with Francis by some of his conversations. On which the King asked Suffolk if it was true. The Duke said he had not spoken of it. Wolsey further said it was I that had informed him. So that, whenever the Duke could meet me, after long protests, and after confessing that he had had some conversation with Francis about Wolsey, but he had made sure that if Francis had sent word of it I would not have repeated it, he pressed me so hard for an answer that I knew not what to say, except that I had never spoken of it,—which, in truth, I never did,—begging him, nevertheless, not to let the matter go further. I offered, however, to tell Wolsey in his presence what I had said to him, which I think it was right to do. Seeing that he had touched me about Francis, Wolsey said to me that he had not intended to speak of it further; but this was said so coldly that I see he would like to have an explanation with me, before the King his master, and perhaps confront me with the other. Since then I have been as much as possible on my guard against meeting people (d'estre affronté), in which I have been much favored by the illness of this Duke, who is now well again, and quite in his master's favor (planté auprès de son maistre). It was a most favorable opportunity for me to absent myself till the matter was laid to sleep; for Wolsey and the King appeared to desire very much that I should go over to France to get the opinions of the learned men there about the divorce, and to discuss it with them, showing them the reasons of the opposite party, in order to get from them some good advice and arguments which I might send hither. From that time they have been so fixed upon this voyage, that four days ago Wolsey sent for me expressly from ten leagues distance, purposely to arrange it, reckoning that I should depart whenever my brother arrived. Francis, however, must be obeyed. I will contrive to excuse the voyage for a short time, without alleging the intention of Francis,—which would be very impolitic, for reasons which it will be too long to write; and I will find means between this and Michaelmas "de me developer de ce Duc; à quoy m'aydera bien que monsieur le Legat ne se trouvera gueres, cependant, avec son maistre ne moy, aussi la negociacion de mon frere estre fournye." But remember, the King and everybody will meet again here at Michaelmas, so that I shall have no more dodges by which to save myself, and if I do not go they will think you are opposed to their divorce. You had better at once get some one ready, who will bring the ratification hither, whenever it arrives, and take my place as long as it pleases the King, so that I may arrange my going to the satisfaction of every one; for if I am found here at Michaelmas I promise you it will be very injurions, for reasons which my brother will report at his return.
	It is intended to hold a Parliament here this winter, and then act by their own absolute power, in default of justice being administered by the Pope in this divorce. This, however, is to be after the restitution of the children, till which time they mean to dissemble everything. They are as well satisfied as can be with Francis and my Lady, and mention you particularly in their Pater noster. It is true you will always find them hard in the matter of money, especially now that they are jealous of each other, as you will learn from my brother. I think Marigny and Lamet, or the bailly of Amiens, might supply my place.
	On Thursday we shall be at court, and do the best we can; but we shall find it awkward not to show the copy of the treaty of Cambray, which I think they have not got here. Since their ambassadors were at Calais they have often asked me for it, and I have always excused myself by two letters Francis had written to me, stating that my brother would come fully instructed in everything. If, therefore, they do not see the treaty, I foresee they will not take it well. It is true he has brought some articles, but only those they have here already, because they touch them. Moreover, these articles refer to the treaty of Madrid, of which I know nothing, except what I have heard say. My brother excuses this, that on asking for it he was assured I had a copy of the Madrid treaty, and also of last year's overtures, which would serve my purpose. I have them; but as to the treaty of Madrid, you said to the late chancellor of Alençon, in my presence, that I should require a copy; when he replied that it was not a thing to communicate to every one. From that time I did not wish to speak about it, and I assure you I never saw anything of it. I do not know how we are to get out of it. London, 23 Aug.
	Fr. Add.
23 Aug. Vesp. C. IV. 336. B. M.	5863. LEE to [WOLSEY].
	Wrote concerning the Queen's matter by the bishop of Worcester, who left on 19 Aug. Obtained letters of credence from the Emperor to the Pope for him, and also letters from the Emperor to Wolsey, saying that he will shortly send his full mind. Thinks the Emperor is as desirous of peace as the French king. Does not think the French should be so greedy to denounce battle. If the King and Wolsey cannot persuade the Emperor to come to terms, no fear that the French will do so. Sends the bishop of Worcester's bill on Sir Henry Wyatt for 400 ducats, to be given to Henaige for Lee's discharge. Will soon send a full account of what has come to his hands or John Aleman's, by whose diligence all is received from Palencia. Can do nothing about Toledo. Has sent for Wolsey's bulls and the Emperor's letters, but these troublous times have made many letters to quail. Has given Ghinucci another letter from the Emperor concerning that affair. Wishes to come home. Valladolid, 23 Aug.
	Hol., pp. 2.
24 Aug. Vit. B. XII. 223. B. M. St. P. I. 335.	5864. STEPHEN GARDINER to [WOLSEY].
	Was with the King at Langley yesterday, and came home late in the evening. I showed him the letters you had sent by Edwardes, and those from my lord of Bath, concerning the execution of the letters citatorial, to be notified secretly to you and Campeggio. The King is well satisfied with your letters, and the solution of the doubt submitted to you. The King does not like the addition of the clause to the letters of inhibition touching the pecuniary fine, which was not in the copy sent from Rome. He desires a copy of the inhibition and the letters citatorial. Having great trust in you, be thinks you may so manage Campeggio that it is not needful for the letters citatorial to be published, and that, as your court now ends, the Legate will be content with the Pope's brief. If you cannot induce the Queen's counsel to be content, you are to send information to the King, who will further advertise you what is best to be done. I send you two briefs, one touching the avocation, the other notifying the peace between the Pope and the Emperor. Nothing is done in other matters. Woodstock, 4 (fn. 1) Aug.
	Hol., mutilated.
Vesp. F. IX. 144. B. M.	5865. [WOLSEY] to GARDINER.
	Yesterday my lord of Bath, who had removed from London to Dokmersfelde, arrived here; and, according to the King's determination at Tytynhanger, [Wolsey] has had long communication with him about the inhibition and advocation. Considering that the King never showed himself as a party, but what has hitherto been done proceeded only ex officio, he thought it would not be convenient for the Queen to show or make herself a party against the King; nor that any citation or process of contumacy on pains pecuniary, cum invocatione brachii sæcularis, or otherwise, should be procured or executed against him at her suit, which might irritate and exasperate him against her, to the extreme undoing of all her council. Any rupture of the peace between the King and the Emperor would then be ascribed to her, and she would incur the indignation of all the nobles and people of the realm. He (the bishop of Bath) thinks that now the Judge's hands are closed by the inhibition and advocation of the cause, the Queen ought to be content to proceed no further in the process at Rome, like as the King will nothing attempt by way of law. Although the Queen trusts more to the counsel of strangers and Imperialists than to her English council, the bishop of Bath, with the concurrence of her almoner and the bishop of London, will endeavor bonâ fide to dissuade her from making any further pursuit. Writes briefly, trusting to see Gardiner here shortly, when he will tell him what he has done. Has laid before the bishop of Bath the great danger that may arise to the Queen and her council if the King is cited, or any process made against him at Rome,—which he well weighs, protesting that if she is wilful "he will not continue of her council, to die for it." At the coming of the Legate, will use all means to induce him to cause the Queen to surcease with the mere and simple advocation of the cause. Asks for a copy of the inhibition and advocation, that the Legate and he may consult how to avoid all things which may touch the King. The bishop of Worcester's kinsman arrived here with letters and writings, which [Wolsey] forwards to be shown to the King. He was present when the Emperor embarked in his galley for Italy on the 27th of last month. He has only 9,000 persons,—6,000 men "rei militaris inexpertissimi," and the rest but children. He has but three lords of Spain in company with him, whom he dared not leave, lest they should make some mutiny in his absence. He can get no money in Spain, neither by gift nor loan. He has taken this journey against the minds of all the nobles and people. There is a marvellous pestilence in his fleet. If the King's profound and wise counsels had been followed, what a booty might have ensued from the Emperor's bare and slender furniture. "Utcumque tamen fortassis quod hominum consilio et viribus fieri nequit, pestis ipsa efficiet."
	The sending of the Prothonotary to the Venetians, Florentines, and duke of Ferrara, with reasonable offers, implies that the Emperor sees his own weakness. If now good and politic practices were set forth, the Emperor might no less repent his sudden descent into Italy than the French king did, and as ill success might proceed therefrom. The bishop of Worcester's kinsman whom [Wolsey] sends to be presented to the King, says that the distress of the count of St. Poole has been the cause of the Emperor's descent into Italy; otherwise he would not have gone this year. Has sent for the French ambassador to communicate to him the Emperor's passage and ill furniture, with the other things which Wolsey wished to communicate to him as of himself. Desires Gardiner to remind the King that he wished to see the ambassador before he left Windsor, and to ask whether he shall be sent thither. Sends letters received this morning from Bryan, stating that the French king, knowing the King's pleasure, can be contented to send Albany into Scotland, and that the Duke is agreeable thereto. Asks Gardiner to inform him what the King wishes him to do. Has had no word from the Queen's almoner, at which he is surprised. Trusts that if the Almoner cannot do it, it will be done by the bishops of Bath or London, or by the Legate. It may be difficult at first for the Almoner alone to induce the Queen.
	Draft, pp. 7. The leaves in wrong order. Begins: "Master Stevens."
Titus, B. I. 79. B. M.	5866. WOLSEY to _.
	"One other thing he desired that the King's grace might be put in remembrance of, that where the admiral of France, sent with the ratification of the truce lately concluded at Cambray, hath a commission to treat of universal peace, that it would please the King's highness to give some instruction to his ambassadors, which shall also be sent with his Grace's ratification that they shall join and concur with the said Admiral for the concluding and advancement of the said peace universal, which, seeing the Turk ita imminet cervicibus nostris, is more than necessary.
	"The Queen's council is now comyn hither; that is to say, her almoner, the Dean of the Arches, Dr. Guent, and a notary. I have received to copy (fn. 2) of the inhibitions and letters citatorial, which I send unto you herewith. As soon as Mr. Bennet and Dr. Kerne shall be returned [I shall not fail with the Legate to endeavor (fn. 3) ] with the King's resolution and pleasure, the Legate and I shall endeavor ourself to induce them to the same. They make much sticking as yet at the exhibition of the brief in the lieu of the letters inhibitorials, alleging that in the said brief there be none effectual and express words whereby the Queen might be sured of the effectual closing of the Judge's hands; and that she, being full of mistrust, shall be with great difficulty induced thereto. They say, furthermore, that if some resolution be not shortly taken herein, and they in Flanders advertised thereof afore the 24th day of this month without fail, it shall not lie in the Queen's power to let but that the said inhibition and letters citatorial shall be executed there at the said 24th day.
	"I commit unto you such letters as were written in cipher from the King's orators in Rome, retaining with me those that be out of ciphers, supposing verily that ye have read or declared the contents of the same to the King's highness. In the said letters I note two things chiefly. The one is the handling of the Pope by the prince of Orange, and proceeding of the Imperials with their rude intreating of the Pope's towns in robbing, burning, and destroying of the same; whereby it doth manifestly appear that all the blandishing promises of the Emperor do and shall turn to the said Pope's confusion; and, God forgive me, I am nothing sorry of this his handling, who being so ofttimes deceived and betrayed by the Imperials, neclecting his best friend hath joined and adhereth to him that intendeth none other thing but his destruction" [and] ruin. This thing succeeding thus do make in pejus shall peradventure cause him to change and alter his proceedings in the King's matter; and further (?) that he hath unkingly and untruly demeaned himself to his Grace, who hath alway been his best and only assured friend and succour.
	"The second thing which I note to be considered and looked unto is the importune suit made by the Emperor's and the Queen's agents for sending forth of compulsorials for the exhibitions of the process, which had, they would not fail to proceed and give judgment [against the King†] pro matrimonio. This will be met with for divers apt respects, as I doubt not ye of your wisdom can judge, and considered much better than I can express. What thing the King's highness shall or can devise to be done, for my part I shall not fail with all effort to set forth and accomplish the same to the uttermost of my wit and power, as our Lord knoweth."
	Hol.
R. O.	5867. [WOLSEY] to GARDINER.
	Expected today more of the Queen's council than the bishop of Bath, and copies of the exhibition and letters citatorial for which Clerk had written. As they have not come, as will be seen by the dean of Arches' letters, thinks it best to send Dr. Boner and Kerne to declare to the King and Gardiner what course is taken with Campeggio and Clerk concerning the said inhibition and letters virtute brevis mihi directi, "without that any overture shall be made to the Queen thereof till I may be advertised how the King's highness and ye of his counsel do like of the same. For as his Grace, by the advice of his counsel there, shall think best to be done, and shall [think] most advisable and agreeable to his pleasure, so shall I endeavour myself to persuade the Legate and the Queen's counsel to be conformable thereto, as the said doctors shall more amply declare unto the King's highness and you; to whom it may please his Highness to give benign audience and credence; and ye, after the declaration of their charge unto the same, to be their good and friendly director; wherewith, if the King's highness be not content, I perceive no hope that they will be induced, or as the bishop of Bath allegeth the Queen ..."
	Hol., draft, p. 1. The passage quoted in italics scored out. Begins: Mr. Stevynys.
Nero, B. VI. 28. B. M.	5868. WOLSEY to GARDINER.
	Sends him letters received this day from the bishop of Bath to be shown to the King, showing that [the bishops of Bath and London had broken with the Queen (fn. 4) ] there is good hope that the Queen will be induced to conformity. Though the bishop of Bath refers for further particulars to my lord of London, Wolsey cannot write more, as the latter, coming hither yesterday with Mr. More, chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster, fell from his horse, and is since unable to travel. Will write when he has seen him. Daily expects to hear the King's pleasure on the points mentioned in his other letters, especially for the publication of the peace, and making fires and other rejoicings for it.
	P. 1. Corrected draft, in Wolsey's own hand.
24 Aug. R. O.	5869. GARDINER to WOLSEY.
	Would have shown your letters to the King immediately, if I could have had an opportunity, but had none, as it is our removing day. The matter contained in them has been reported already by the bishops of Bath and London. I have not yet learned the King's pleasure, except for the proclamation of the peace in London and Calais with the same solemnities as in France. The coming of Langes keeps the King in suspense, except that he has told me something of his mind to be written to the bishop of Worcester. Woodstock, 24 Aug.
	Hol., p. 1. Add. and sealed. (fn. 5) Endd.
24 Aug. R. O.	5870. SIR THOMAS LUCY.
	File of Accounts.
	i. "Bruggenorth."
	Remaining in two bags, 13l. 11s. 8d.; whereof paid for the obits of Sir Thomas Lucy:—32 priests, at 4d.; a friar of Northampton, 20d.; the second day, 21 priests, at 8d.; Sir Richard had 4d. more; 26 clerks, at 2d.; the ringers, 12d.; the warden of Bridgenorth, 6s. 8d.; to alms folk, 55s. 10d.; to Olyver, for his costs to London and other business, 40s.=6l. 14s. 8d.
	To Ant. Whytt, 6s. 8d.; to Ric. Holmes, 6s. 8d.; to the parson of Haversham, for things at London, 3s. 10d.; to Wm. Prestgrave, 12d.; to find the escheator's office, 4l.
	P. 1. Endd.: Funeralls and bequests. Funerall expences.
	ii. Receipt by John Skutte, citizen and merchant tailor of London, of 16l. from lady Luce, for black cloth used at the burial of Sir Thomas Luce. 1526, 18 Hen. VIII., 30 April. Signed.
	Endd.
	iii. Paid at the burial of Sir Thomas Lucy to the waxchandler, 16l. 13s. 4d.; the butcher, 8l.; the beer brewer, 4l. 7s.; the painter, 14l.; the baker, 10s.; the ale brewer, 56s. 10d.; the saddler, 51s. 8d.; the armourer, 6s. 8d.; the apothecary, 3l. 3s. 4d.; to Hoper, 20s.; the goodman of the Angel, for horse meat, 26s.; Raffe Marten, of the Maidenhead, for horse meat, 59s.; Ollyver Ierlound, to pay other charges, 46s. 2d.=60l.
	P. 1.
	iv. 31 March 17 Hen. VIII. A mem. of the above payments to the saddler, armourer, apothecary, goodman of the Angel, Raff Marten and Olyver Irelond, 12l. 9s. 6d.
	P. 1.
	v. Memorandum, for legacies payd accordyng to the wyll of the sayd Thomas Lucy. Trentalls to be said at the Grey Friars, with wine and wax, 11s.; at the White Friars, 11s.; at the Grey Friars of Bruggenorth, Salop, where he was founder, 4l. To the mother churches of Lyncoln and Worcester, 6s. 8d. each. To the poor people of Assheby Legear and Charlecote, 40s. For diriges and masses of requiem in the "moneth mynd,"_. For a grave stone with his arms and scutcheons,_.
	His sons Edmund and Thos. are to have their finding till they come to the age of 21.
	He leaves his goods and catalls to his wife. To Ric. Hylshacke, 40s. yearly for three years.
	P. 1.
	vi. Receipt by Friar Thomas Cudner, warden of the Friars Minors of London, of 10s. from Olyver Yerlond, for a trental for the soul of Sir Thos. Luce. 18 Nov. 1526.
	Endd.
	vii. Receipt by Rich. Ylshaw of 6l., the bequest of his master Sir Thos. Lucy. 1528. Signed.
	Endd.
	viii. Receipt by Friar Thos. Gaskyn, prior of the White Friars in Fleet Street, of 10s. from Olyver Eyerlond, for the obit of Mr. Geo. Catesby. 28 Nov. 18 Hen. VIII. Signed.
	Endd.
	ix. Legacies and things ordained for Sir Thos. Lucy.
	A trental at Grey Friars, 10s.; at White Friars, 10s. 4 great tapers weighing 8 lb.,_. To the four Orders of Friars, for fetching him to church,_. To poor folks,_. To the Grey Friars of Brygnorthe, 4l. To the mother church of Lincoln, 6s. 8d.; and of Worcester, 6s. 8d. Alms at Ashby Leger and Charlecote, 40s. An obit at the month's end, at Charlecote and Ashby,_. For the debts of Raffe Warren, mercer,_. A grave stone,_. A priest to sing three years, 20l. Servants' wages,_ Bequests to his three daughters, 1,200 mks. To Edmond Lucy, his son, the manor of Bykryng. To his son Thomas, the manor of Claybro. To his wife Elizabeth, all his goods and cattels.
	P. 1. Endd.
	x. Bill of John Parker, apparitor and "prayser," for appraising Sir Thos. Lucy's goods, 388l. 16s. 6d., at 2d. per 1l., 5 mks.; of which he has received 4 mks.
	Mem., that the apparitors of my lord Cardinal and the archbishop of Canterbury have 20d. for every testament, and 2d. per 1l. for appraising.
	P. 1. Endd.
	xi. Receipt by Ric. Lynd, waxchandler of London, for the funeral of Sir Thos. Lucy, and all other debts due from him till Bartholomew's Day 21 Hen. VIII., by the hands of Mr. Varnay and my lady his wife. Signed.
	P. 1.
	xii. Account for fish.
	Imprimis:—400 oysters, 12d. A dozen plaice, 9d. Half a fresh cod, 12d. Half a skate, 12d. A quarter of fresh salmon, and the chine, 16d. 3 haddocks, 15d. Half a salt salmon, 9d. Bringing your net from London, 5d. For horse and man, 6d. For a pickerell, 2s. = 10s.
	Endd.: Branesford's bill, content and paid the viij^th day of January 17 Hen. VIII.
	xiii. Receipt by Ric. Lynd, waxchandler of London, of 40s. in part payment of a greater sum, from Olyver Iyrlond, servant to lady Lucy. 2 Oct. 20 Hen. VIII. Signed.
	Endd.
25 Aug. R. O.	5871. JOHN DU BELLAY, BISHOP OF BAYONNE, to WOLSEY.
	Came hither with his brother in compliance with the King's wishes. Yesterday was fixed for their audience, when they hoped Wolsey would have been present, but they understand he is now at the More. Would have gone thither but for Wolsey's order. Will salute the King tomorrow. Thinks it best meanwhile to return him the letters of Francis and his mother. Whenever permitted we will fly to you,—my brother to explain his commission, I to salute you. "Aussibrugæ (Uxbridge), super viam, die xxv^o Augusti."
	Hol., Lat., p. 1. Add.: "D. Cardinali Ebor. S. Sedis Ap. de Latere Legato," &c. Endd.