House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 20 September 1645

Die Sabbati, 20 Septembris, 1645.

Prayers.

THE Grand Committee of the House, according to former Order, proceeded to take into Consideration the Business concerning Raising of Monies for the publick Service of the Kingdom.

Sir Thomas Widdrington in the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Upon Sir Thomas Widdrington's Report from the Grand Committee;

It is Resolved, &c. That the Court of Wards and Liveries, and all Wardships, Liveries, Primer-Seisins, Ousterlemaines, and other Charges whatsoever, growing for or by reason of any Wardship of Body or Lands, either of his Majesty, his Heirs or Successors, or of any other Lord or Lords, and of all Tenures, from whence the same do arise, shall be taken away.

Resolved, &c. That, in Lieu and Recompence thereof, there shall be charged and raised upon the Kingdom of England, and Dominion of Wales, the yearly Sum of One hundred thousand Pounds; to be disposed of by both Houses of Parliament.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth declare and order, That the Court of Wards shall proceed as formerly, in the mean time, concerning Wardships, until an Ordinance for taking away the said Court shall be perfected and completed.

Resolved, That, on Thursday next, Mr. Maynard do bring in an Ordinance for discharging the Wardships of the Children or Heirs of such Persons as have lost their Lives in the Parliament's Service, without Rent or Fine to be paid for the same.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Grand Committee of the House, appointed to consider of the Business of Raising of Money, where Sir Thomas Widdrington hath the Chair, to prepare and bring in an Ordinance, according to the Votes this Day made, for the taking away the Court of Wards, and charging upon the Kingdom of England, and Dominion of Wales, One hundred thousand Pounds, to be yearly raised, in lieu thereof; and to be disposed of by both Houses of Parliament.

Mr. Whitelocke reports, from the Committee, the Answer to be given to the Three Papers, reported and delivered in from the Scotts Commissioners, of the Thirteenth and Fifteenth Instant: Which was read.

Ordered, That, upon Monday Morning at Nine of the Clock, the House do take into Consideration the whole Business concerning the Scotts Army; and, in the first place, How and in what manner the Scotts Army shall be disposed and employed in the Kingdom of England, and by whom: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind hereof.

Ordered, That Sir Philip Stapleton do make the Report in his Hands, concerning Chester, on Monday.

Ordered, That it be especially recommended, from this House, to the Commissioners of Excise, to furnish and lend the Four thousand Pounds, Remainder of Five thousand Pounds, charged upon the Receipts of the Excise by a former Ordinance of both House, for the Pay of the Garison of Portsmouth.

Ordered, That Five hundred Pounds be charged upon the Receipts of Excise, to be paid, in its Course, for Advance of a Fortnight's Pay, and for Recruits of Arms, Pistols, and Saddles, for one Troop of House, consisting of One hundred Men and Horse at least; to be employed, under Captain Temple, for the Advantage and Service of the Garison of Gloucester: And that an Ordinance be brought in, upon the Propositions presented and agreed on between Mr. Pury, a Member of this House, on the Behalf of the Committee of Gloucester, and Captain Edmund Temple: And Mr. Pury is to bring in this Ordinance.

The House was acquainted with a Paper, in Form of a Petition, dispersed in several Wards in the City of London, and laboured to be subscribed by many Hands, touching the Matter of Church-Government; the which Matter is depending, and under the Debate and Consideration of this House:

The which was read.

Resolved, &c. That this Paper, in the Form of a Petition, contains in it several Matters scandalous to the Proceedings of this House, and untrue: And that Mr. Recorder do acquaint the Common-Council with this Vote.

Mr. Holland, Mr. Sollicitor, Sir Hen. Vane, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Natha. Fiennes, Mr. Holles, Sir Jo. Evelyn junior, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Sir Ralph Ashton, Mr. Lisle, Mr. Rouse, Mr. Gourdon, Mr. Bainton, Mr. Erle, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Whittacre;

This Committee, or any Three of them, are to prepare a Declaration, as well concerning the Matter of a scandalous Paper, in Form of a Petition, dispersed in several Wards in the City of London, touching the Matter of Church-Government, depending, and under the Debate and Consideration of this House, as concerning the Proceedings of this House concerning the Business of ChurchGovernment: And are also to examine and find out the Authors and Promoters of the said scandalous Paper: And are to meet at Four of the Clock this Afternoon, in the Exchequer-Chamber, upon this Business: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records, &c.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page;

The Lords have commanded us to acquaint you, That whereas the Lord Hunsdon hath been accused by the House of Commons for High Treason, Julii 13 1644 (whereupon he hath ever since been sequestred from the House of Peers), without giving in any particular Charge or Prosecution against him by the Commons since that time: The Lords, sinding that, in Justice, they cannot detain him from his Place, without more particular Matter against him, have thought good to intimate unto them, that they intend to receive him into his Place on Saturday, the Twenty-Seventh of this Month of September, except, before that time, they shall receive from them further Cause to the contrary: To deliver unto you a Letter from the Lord Wharton, of 10 Sept. 1645, concerning the Adding of some Names to the Committee of Westmerland: An Ordinance concerning Sir Gregory Norton: It moved first from this . . . .; and they do agree to it, with this Amendment: Two Reports from the Committee of the Admiralty; to which they have agreed; and desire you would take them into speedy Consideration: Some Names to be added to the Committee of the County of Devon for Sequestrations: The Lords have agreed to them; and desire your Concurrence: Also the Petition of Elizabeth Marche, Widow: It is, that she may have a Pass to go to Oxon: The Lords think sit she should go; and desire your Concurrence.

Sir Henry Mildmay to go to the Lords, to desire a Fortnight's Time longer for bringing in the particular Charge against the Lord Hunsdon; in regard the Gentleman, in whose Hands the Papers and Examinations are, is now out of Town.

The Amendments to the Ordinance concerning Sir Gregory Norton were read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

Mr. Greene reported the Paper from the Committee of the Admiralty, heretofore referred from this House to the Committee of the Navy, concerning the Ship Becas of St. Wallo: And.

It is thereupon Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for Foreign Affairs, to consider of the whole Matter; and to do therein as they shall think sit: And That Committee is to consider of some reasonable Reward to be given unto Captain *, with the Approbation of the Committee of the Navy.

He further reported a Paper from the Committee of the Admiralty, heretofore referred from this House to the Committee of the Navy, concerning the Ships The Mary of St. Giles in France, and The Nicolas of Diepe: And

It is thereupon Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for Foreign Affairs, to compose the Difference between the Merchants and the Takers; and, with the Approbation of the Committee of the Navy, to consider of some reasonable Reward to the Takers.

A List of such of his Majesty's Ships and Vessels, and also of the Merchantsmen, as are to be continued forth at Sea for this Winter-Guard 1645, in the Service of the Parliament, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

An Ordinance for appointing the Winter-Guard of Ships to be continued out at Sea this Winter, for the Service of the Parliament, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

Ordered, &c. That the humble Petition of Mr. Thomas Farnaby, a Prisoner in Ely-House, be referred to the Committee for Prifoners, to bail him, or otherwise to dispose of him, as they shall think fit, upon Conference first had with the Gentlemen of this House of the County of Kent.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House hath considered their Lordships Message; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

A Letter from Mr. Cawley, from Chichester, of Sept. 19; relating divers outrageous Proceedings of the Clubmen; was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That it be referred to the Consideration of the Committee of both Kingdoms: And that, according to an Order Yesterday made, the Committee of the West do conser with the Committee of both Kingdoms.

Whereas the House was informed, That the King's Majesty is indebted to Sir Samuel Rolle in the Sum of Eleven thousand Pounds, upon a Judgment obtained against his Majesty in the Court of Admiralty: And whereas Sir Samuel Roll hath paid his Regiment, whereof he was Colonel, in Devon, Two hundred and Forty-six Pounds: And whereas the said Sir Samuel is much endamaged by the Enemies Forces, and can, at this time, have no Relief upon that Judgment, out of the King's Revenue: It is Ordered, That the Committee of the Revenue do, at such convenient Times as will best stand with their Occasions, pay unto Sir Samuel Rolle the said Two hundred Forty-six Pounds.

Resolved, &c. That Sir Wm. Lister, for his present Subsistence, shall have the Benefit of the Composition of a Delinquent, not exceeding Fifteen hundred Pounds: And that it be referred to the Committee of the Northern Association, to find out a Delinquent, whose Composition may be assigned to him accordingly.

Ordered, &c. That the Letters from Nottingham be read on Monday next.

Ordered, &c. That the Ordinance concerning the Prince Elector be taken into Consideration on Tuesday next.

Ordered, &c. That Mr. Earle shall have Leave to go into the Country for Six Weeks: And that his Service in the House be dispensed with, in the mean time.

Ordered, &c. That the humble Petition of the Lady Thornehagh Widow be referred to the Committee at Haberdashers-Hall, to accommodate her with a House and Furniture, according to the Desire of her Petition.

Ordered, &c. That, out of such Monies as Mr. Hill, a Member of this House, hath or shall bring in to Haberdashers-Hall, for the Twentieth-Parts of such Persons as have not yet paid the Twentieth-Part, the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies, sitting there, do pay unto him Five hundred Pounds, towards his Losses.