House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 27 November 1606 (2nd scribe)

Jovis, 27o Die Novembris, 1606 - Hora nona

Purveyors, &c.

SIR Nich. Saunders moveth a Bill against Purveyors and Car-takers.

Union with Scotland.

Mr. Fuller moveth, that Sir Edw. Hobby might give his Reasons, why he would not subscribe to the Instrument.

Sir Edw. Hobby answers, that no Commissioner hath been at any time called in question, for his Assent or Disassent; but, that the major Part hath over-ruled it, and the rest wrapped up, as it were in a Voyder, and committed to Oblivion. - Licet unicuique frui abundantia cordis sui.

Mr. Bond: - Non omnis fert omnia tellus. Every Man not for State Matters. The Subject or Matter, the Union of Two Kingdoms: How they may be reduced to One Government, and Obedience; to One Head, and Sovereign : Live, and love; Converse, Commerce. -

Deduces the Union from the first Marriage in King H. VII. Time. - How sithence affected and sought.

Mr. Brook propounded, that the Matters of Hostility, Borders, Commerce, Offenders, be drawn into Bills by us, and Naturalization left to the Lords.

Mr. Alford: - That first a Message be sent, to let the Lords know, that we will take pains in the Borders, Commerce; the Lords, naturalized. When we have both digested, then to meet, and draw One Bill for all.

Mr. Fuller: - That every thing may first be here debated : Every Man yield his Reason.

Sir Nath. Bacon: - with Mr. Alford's Opinion.

Mr. Gore; - That great Care should be taken in the Matter of Commerce, since we are not governed or commanded by One Law.

Mr. May: - That a Conference may be with the Lords, about the Manner, not the Matter. Equally to advise, no Wrong to either.

Sir Edw. Hobby: - A Conference; and to deliver, how we divide it, in the Manner, and the Reasons.

Mr. Speaker collecteth the several Projects,

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - The Matter concerns the Lords the more, by how much they have greater Part. -

Every Point to be first debated in the House, and then to pray a Conference.

Quest. Whether the Answer shall be, That the House doth desire, that their Lordships will proceed in the Matter of Naturalizing, and the Borders; and this House with Commerce and hostile Laws.

This to be done by Message only, or by Conference. - Much Difficulty. -

That whereas their Lordships, in their late Meeting, propounded and advised, that there might be some Proceeding in the Business; this House hath, according to the Gravity of the Matter, entered into Consideration of it, and have resolved to send me as their Messenger, to desire your Lordships will, that they would be pleased to take into their Charge the Matter of Naturalizing, and the Cases of the Borders; and that this House doth think the fittest for them to proceed in the rest.

Mr. Secretary Herbert delivered the Message; and returned, that the Lords had not resolved of the Answer, but would consider of the Message, and send Answer To-morrow.