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| Dec. 3. |
187. The Lords Commissioners for the Treaty to the King.
When the Governor and others of the East India Company attended
his Majesty at Newmarket upon a sudden warning given by the
States Ambassadors to repair thither, their Lordships informed the
King of the state of those questions as they left them at that time.
Afterwards the Ambassadors, upon second cogitations, thought fit to
resume the conference [see letter, ante, No. 178, 19 Nov. 1622]; since
when they have had many meetings, and have driven the questions
to so near a point of agreement concerning restitution and future
reglement of trade as their Lordships had hope to have concluded all
things without his Majesty's trouble (excepting one or two special
points reserved for his own sacred judgment), as will be seen by the
enclosed note of every particular as it now stands. Have been
careful, as the King commanded, to keep themselves to the treaty,
and not to give way to any novelty, howbeit the Ambassadors offer
divers propositions as explanatory of the treaty, which their Lordships conceive alter it in sense, and may be of great disadvantage to
his Majesty's subjects. But as by mutual consent the questions
concerning restitution not agreed upon at the Board were referred to
the merchants themselves, in whose hands they yet remain, and
their Lordships are informed have proceeded so far as they doubt
not good success, so the Board thinks the other point touching
reglement, which merely concerns trade, may as well be agreed upon
amongst themselves, and the merchants are of the same opinion.
Did much wonder at the intention of the Ambassadors, declared to
the Board yesternight, of waiting upon his Majesty, seeing the
Ambassadors have left the business to their merchants and ours, who
stay behind of purpose to despatch it, and therefore did what they
could to divert them, alleging, among other reasons, his Majesty's
present indisposition by the pain in his foot. Annexed, |
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187. I. The points in difference between the English and Dutch
merchants as they now stand. The merchants are accorded
concerning the charges of the siege of Bantam. The discount on pepper brought into Holland stands referred to
two English and two Dutch merchants. The valuation of
ryals of eight taken from English merchants in the Indies
not yet agreed on. The point concerning the goods of
Lantar in handling by the merchants on both sides. The
points of reglement; the abridging the number of 10 ships
for defence likely to be accorded between the merchants.
Touching jurisdiction, it is agreed that either nation shall
have the government and correcting of their own people.
Some indifferent place to be appointed for the Council of
Defence, or the English to have a residence near Jacatra,
where said Council of Defence may assemble alternatively.
Touching the forts, their Lordships still insist as they
advertised the King in their former letter, and see no cause
why they should be ordered from it. Endorsed by Bradshaw, "Touching ye treaty." [East Indies, Vol. II., No. 32.] |
Dec. 6.
Newmarket. |
188. The King to the Lords Commissioners for the Treaty. His
Majesty has received their letters, and given audience to the States
Ambassadors, rather out of a desire that they should not wholly lose
their journey than from any necessity of hearing what they had to
say, since the King's return to Theobalds approacheth so near when
he expects to hear a full account of the business. In the meantime
upon the Ambassadors' return to their conferences the King could
not but recommend to their Lordships' care the clearing of all
accounts, and putting the whole business to an end as near as it can
be, that at his Majesty's coming he may receive the whole relation,
which he hopes will be brought to such a point as to need no more
but His Majesty's conclusion. As for the point of the Muscovy
merchants, order to be taken for the payment of the money accordingly. [East Indies, Vol. II., No. 33.] |
Dec. 6.
Newmarket. |
189. Copy of the above. Endorsed by Bradshaw. [East Indies,
Vol. II., No. 34.] |
Dec. 7.
London. |
190. Chamberlain to Carleton. The States went not to Newmarket, but our East Indian and Muscovy merchants were there
and attended their coming four or five days, to their great trouble
and charge, and came away unheard. They went later, but their
Secretary Hugins having charge of a bag of papers and 200l. for
their expense was robbed on the way, and although a reward of
20l. has been offered for their recovery, they are like to lose both
their memorials and money. [Extract from Domestic Corresp.,
Jac. I., Vol. CXXXIV., No. 66, Cal., p. 467.] |
| Dec. 13. |
191. Commission to Lionel, Earl of Middlesex, and others, to
examine upon oath what injuries and depredations have been committed at sea on the King of Spain, or his agents, by the Company
of Merchants of London trading to the East Indies. [Minute. Grant
Bk., pp. 352, 362. Domestic, Jac. I., Cal., p. 468.] |
Dec. 18/28.
Batavia. |
192. Extract of a letter from Governor General Coen to Martin
Sonck, Governor in Banda, [Dutch. Three pages. O.C., Vol. IX.,
No. 1090.] |
Dec. 18/28.
Batavia. |
193. Translation of the above. Is surprised to hear of the illdoings of those of Pooloroon. Takes it very well that at last he has
understood the business better, and punished with death 160 of the
principal Orankays. Warns him against the Bandanese. Trust as
little the children of the Rosingyns as we do here the wives and
children of those of Solamme and Lantar. They will turn Christians
to act their parts the better. Those of Ceram are treacherous people,
and sent as spies to discern where they may do mischief. Advises
him to keep no renegades; if there be no law to punish them as
spies with death, or to imprison them, send them hither. Charges
him to keep no Bandanese, but such as he be fully assured cannot
do any harm. The men of Banda should be sent away, and their
wives and children be carefully overlooked, so that you be sure we
have no prejudice by them. The people of the coast are very idle,
and much subject to diseases, yet he hopes by teaching they may be
improved, in which he is to do his best endeavour. Let the
English keep no more slaves nor people than such as can no ways
be any hindrance unto us. Thinks they had good knowledge of
the bad intentions of the Poolorooners; if this can appear you shall
punish the offenders, without any favour, according to former instructions. Trust the English no more than a public enemy ought
to be trusted. It is necessary that the soldiers' clothing be put on
their account; will not make any alterations at their pleasures. Is
out of measure ashamed, and cannot think where his wits were to
let Welden buy and consume the rest of his powder, so that those of
Pooloroon and Ceram and the Renegados of Banda should the
better obtain their purpose and present their conquests to the King
of England. It seems you yourself do stir up the enemy to do mischief; yet has not any means to send more powder. Certified
copy by Peter Derickson, London, 17th November 1629. [Two pages
and a half. O.C., Vol. IX., No. 1091.] |
Dec. 19.
Madrid. |
194. Extract from a letter written from Madrid. A post, which
has arrived overland from the East Indies, confirms the taking of
Ormuz by the Persians with the help of the English, and they are
much troubled with the news here. [Extract from Spanish Corresp.] |
Dec. 20/30.
Madrid. |
195. The Earl of Bristol to Sec. Calvert. There has been much
murmuring at the Court concerning the taking of Ormuz by the
Persians, which they chiefly attribute to the assistance of the English,
for his former advices from England are now confirmed by a Correo,
come overland purposely with the news, at which they here much
storm (particularly the Portuguese), it being a place of so great importance to them. Has done all he can to satisfy the ministers by
letters to the Condes de Gondomar and Olivares. [Extract from
Spanish Corresp.] |
Dec. 21.
London. |
196. Chamberlain to Carleton. Upon complaint of the Spanish
Ambassador of want of justice in the Admiralty Court, a commission
has been granted to some Lords of the Council to examine the depredations of our East Indian Company in the Indies, and especially
about the business of Ormuz. [Extract from Domestic Corresp.,
Jac. I., Vol. CXXXIV., No. 80, Cal., p. 470.] |
Dec. 26.
Whitehall. |
197. Minutes of the debate with the States Ambassadors. Concerning the comparative values of white and black rice, taken
respectively by the Dutch and English, and the freight and insurance
on pepper. Since this they have met several times, but are not
grown to conclusion, though every day they hope to come to an
end, and most of the points in differences are already concluded,
both concerning the reglement of trade and restitution. Endorsed
by Bradshaw, "Debate of 2 points, pepper and rice." [East Indies,
Vol. II., No. 35.] |
Dec. 26.
Madrid. |
198. The Earl of Bristol to Sec. Calvert. The late taking of
Ormuz by the Persian through the assistance (as is alleged) of the
English, has made a great noise in this Court, and been much
aggravated by the Portuguese, insomuch that the Conde de Olivares
has treated with him about it, to whom he has given such satisfaction as he thought necessary, and they intend to send Bristol a
relation of the whole proceeding, with their complaints, for the
King. Hopes that accidents of this nature will not be able to
breed any alteration in the main business, as was supposed.
[Extract from Spanish Corresp.] |
| Dec. 30. |
199. Locke to Carleton. Sends the proceedings of the Dutch as
well for reglement of trade as otherwise; they were at the very
point to have made an end and now they are flown off again, "so
that it will ask some more time." On Monday [6 Jan.] they meet
again, and there will be no intermission "till they make a bolt
or a shaft of it." [Extract from Domestic Corresp., Jac. I., Vol.
CXXXIV., No. 99, Cal., p. 471.] |
