House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 11 August 1641

Die Mercurii, 11 Aug. 1641.

PRAYERS.

Noland's Witnesses.

ORDERED, That Mr. Whistler, that sits in the Chair for Irish Affairs, shall grant Mr. Noland Warrants to bring his Witnesses, to be produced in a Cause depending before the said Committee, the Five-andtwentieth Day of March next.

Hitch's Petition.

Ordered, That the Petition of Edw. Hitch, Prisoner in the Fleet, be referred to the Committee for the Bishop of Bath and Wells; to be considered of at the next Meeting after the Recess: And that Committee has the like Power for that Petition, as it has for other Petitions.

Hobart's Estate.

2da vice lecta est Billa, An Act for Confirmation of a Decree, made in the Court of Requests by the Lord Privy Seal, concerning the Settling the Estate of * Hobart; and, upon Question, committed.. Sir Syd. Mountague, Mr. Corbett, * Peard, * Holland, * Barrington, * H. Hayward, * Catalyn, * Dewes, Sir Sam. Luke, Mr. Whittaker, * Lewis, * Hide, * Rigby, * Bond, * Evelyn, the Knights and Burgesses of Norfolk and Suffolke: And are to meet on the Tenth of November next in the Exchequer-court.

Leave of Absence.

Mr. Shougborough has Leave to go into the Country.

Proceedings against Bryers.

The humble Petition of Sir Wm. Bryers Knight was read (who was sent for, by Order of the House, as a Delinquent): And he was called in: And, after he had kneeled at the Bar, he was again bid to rise: And then Mr. Speaker told him the Effect of the Complaint against him, expressed in the Petition of James Beverly Esquire.

It is Ordered, That the whole Matter of Complaint be referred to the Consideration of this Committee;

Mr. Selden, * Evelyn, * Oliver Luke, Sir Sam. Luke, Sir Beauchamp St. John, Sir Jo. Holland, Sir Sam. Rolle, * Hollis, * Irby, * Barrington, * Glyn, the Knights and Burgesses of Bedfordshire: And they are to meet on this Day Sevennight post meridiem, in the Court of Wards: And he is in the mean time to go upon Bail; and to have Warrants to produce Witnesses, to be heard at the same time: And he is enjoined to obey the Order of the House fully and punctually, in the Delivery up of the Rolls and Extracts concerning the Poll-money.

Remonstrances.

Sir Sam. Roll, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Selden, Mr. Rigby, are added to the Committee for Remonstrances; ... are to meet at Two post meridiem, in the Inner Court of Wards.

Disbanding the Armies.

A Message from the Lords, by Baron Henden and J. Mallett;

The Lords desire a present Conference, by the Committee of Fifty-two, about a Letter to be sent concerning the Disbanding of the Armies; and about other Particulars concerning that Business; and That presently, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

The House has taken into Consideration their Lordships Message; and are resolved That Committee shall give a present Meeting, as is desired.

The Committee has Power to propose to the Lords, that the Committee of this House may meet with the Scotch Commissioners, to adjust the Accompts for the odd Days.

Loans.

Ordered, That the Order of the Twentieth of July, concerning the Loan of Monies, shall be extended to the Twentieth of August.

Customers.

Ordered, That the old Customers shall pay forthwith into the Chamber of London the Sum of Ten thousand Four hundred Eighty-nine Pounds Eighteen Shillings and Four-pence, being the Remainder of the One hundred and Fifty thousand Pounds, which the House of Commons accepted of the old Customers, for their Delinquency to the Commonwealth; Eight thousand Pounds whereof is upon the Account of Sir Tho. Dawes; for which Sir Tho. Dawes is to deliver the Tallies, for securing the said Monies, according to the Order upon the Report from the Committee, made by Mr. Green, Veneris, 6° * 1741.

Answer of the Bishops.

Ordered, That a Message shall be sent to the Lords, to desire, that the Bishops may be put to a present Answer, in the Presence of the Commons, as was formerly desired; the House of Commons being ready to make good their Accusation.

Sir Arthur Haselrig is appointed to go up with the Message.

Grant to Queen Mother.

Ordered, That the Order concerning the Queen Mother shall be thus altered; "out of the Poll-money, or some other Monies; which this House doth hereby undertake shall be ready, in the Chamber of London, for the Repayment of them:" And that a Clause in the Order, concerning Sir Jo. Nulles' detaining the Monies in his Hands, in case the Queen Mother should die before the said Monies grew due, should be omitted.

Reports to be made.

Ordered, That the Report concerning Soap shall be made To-morrow; concerning the Wines; and concerning the Transportation of Gold.

Merchants Strangers.

Ordered, That the Petition from the Merchants Strangers, of the Intercourse, be referred to Sir Simonds D'Ewes, * Mildmay, Mr. Pym, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Wheeler, Sir Jo. Harrison, * Widdrington, Alderman Soame, * Anderson, * Martin, Mr. Green, * Buller, * Waller, and all the Merchants of the House: And the Commissioners for the Poll-money are hereby required to forbear the Levying of That Money upon these Petitioners, till it shall be farther ordered by the House; because it is a Doubt, whether they are within the Intention of the Law: And they are to meet this Afternoon, at Two of Clock, in the Court of Wards.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Arth. Heselrig brings Answer, that their Lordships have taken the Message into Consideration; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Sir J. Coniers.

Sir Jo. Hotham reports, that the Earl of Essex acquainted the Committee, that his Majesty commanded him to recommend to this House, that his Majesty had sent for the Governor of Berwick from his Imployment out of Holland.

Ordered, That it shall be reported to the Lords at a Conference, that this House will take into Consideration the Recompence of Sir John Coniers; in respect that he hath been recommended by his Majesty: And that this House hath taken Notice of his good Affection to the Parliament, and his Care to preserve the Army from Mutiny.

That Mr. Crue shall prepare an Order concerning Sir Jo. Coniers; and present it to the House this Afternoon.

Impeachment of the Bishops.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Rich, and * *;

The Lords desire a free Conference, by a Committee f both Houses, presently, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, in the Painted Chamber, concerning the Impeachment of the Bishops.

Answer returned, by the same Messengers;

This House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired, * Pym, * Glyn, Serjeant Wilde, * Solicitor, * Maynard, * Cruc, * Haselrigg, * Fines, * White, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

House to sit, &c.

Ordered, That the House shall sit this Afternoon at Three of Clock; and that all the Members of the House, especially of the Long Robe, attend the Service of the House; and that no Committees sit after Three of Clock: And that then the House consider what Name to give to the Crime the Bishops are impeached of.

Sir Wm. Armyn went with this Message to the Lords; to acquaint them, that this House intends to sit this Afternoon; and desire their Lordships would do the like, if it may stand with their Lordships Conveniency.

Impeachment of the Bishops.

Mr. Glyn reports the Conference concerning the Impeachment of the Bishops.

Lord Privy Seal told them, that, some Days since, they had received an Impeachment against the Bishops, delivered at the Bar by Word of Mouth, accusing them of many great Crimes and Misdemeanors.

That this House did desire, that the Bishops may be put to a present Answer, at the Time when the Impeachment was delivered.

They were Matters of great consequence; and coming from the House of Commons, they were very curious not to proceed but in a parliamentary Way upon good Consideration.

The Charges were in Generalities only.

Two Ways of proceeding; either by Transmission from this House; or by a Charge by Word of Mouth: In this latter, the Course is, to appoint some of the King's Counsel to draw up particular Charges out of the General.

They would proceed no Ways, till they had first acquainted this House therewith.

They desired this House to consider, whether this House would stand to the Charge they have already transmitted.

Lords to sit.

Sir Wm. Armyn brings Answer, that their Lordships will sit this Afternoon, at Three of Clock, as is desired.

Disbanding the Army.

Resolved, upon the Question, That all the Foot, and the Train of Artillery, of his Majesty's Army, shall be forthwith disbanded, as well as the Horse.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for the King's Army, to consider of some way of sending down Monies to Yorke for the Disbanding of the King's Army, in such Manner, that it may conveniently come thither before all the Monies are disposed of, that are already sent thither for that Purpose.

Loans.

That such Members of this House, or other Persons, as shall advance for the publick Service of this Kingdom any Sums of Money, and shall within Six Days pay the same unto Sir Robert Pye, Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Bell, (these Three Gentlemen, or any Two of them, are hereby appointed to be Receivers thereof, and to give Acquittances upon the said Receipts) shall be repaid the same, by the Sheriff of such County as shall be expressed in the said Receipts, for the Repayment thereof, out of such Pollmoney as shall be paid unto such Sheriffs; and that such Acquittances under the Hand of Sir Robert Pye, Mr. Wheeler, and Mr. Bell, or any Two of them, shall be admitted by the Treasurers appointed to receive the Pollmoney at the Chamber of London, instead of Payment of so much Money by Sheriffs, as is contained in the said Acquittance: And that the said Treasurers shall give to such Sheriffs Acquittances for the same, in such sort as they should have done, if the said Sheriffs should have paid the same in Money.

Post Meridiem

Reports to be made.

ORDERED, That those Chairmen that are in Town, that have any Causes in their Hands that have been voted, shall, at all times of Leisure, make Report of such Causes as have been voted.

Privilege - Abusing a Member, &c.

John Lindsey, who informed against one Tabor of Cambridge, for Words he spake against this House, and against a Member of this House, was called in: Who says, - was in Company of one Mr. Nich. Tabor of Cambridge, and they had some Discourse concerning the Parliament: That the said Mr. Lowry was an Ass and a Fool: And, when he desired him to forbear, telling him he was a Parliament-man, he said he cared not, if Mr. Lowry and he both were hanged: He told him, he might be brought upon his Knees for these Words: He answered, the Parliament should not bring him upon his Knees. He said likewise, there was in Company one Spacker a Joiner, who can witness the same.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Nich. Tabor of Cambridge shall be forthwith sent for, as a Delinquent, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House, for abusing Mr. Lowry, a Member of this House; and for speaking contemptuous Words against this House.

Articles against Jermyn, &c.

Ordered, That the House shall, To-morrow Morning peremptorily, the First Business, take into further Consideration the Articles against Mr. Jermyn, Mr. Piercy, &c.: And Mr. Chudleigh is appointed then to attend; And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind of this Order.

Arrears due to Scotland.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Lord Mayor, and the rest of the Commissioners for the Poll-money, shall forthwith pay into the Hands of the Earl of Warwick Twelve thousand Seven hundred and Fifty Pounds, to be paid unto the Scotts Commissioners, in full Discharge of all Monies whatsoever payable unto them for the Arrears of their Pay, and the Remainder of the Fourscore thousand Pounds, Part of their Brotherly Assistance.

Arrears due to Northumberland, &c. from Scotts.

Ordered, That the Lords shall be moved to appoint the Lords Commissioners of England, to recommend to the Commissioners of Scotland a Consideration of paying all the Arrears due to Northumberland, Durham, and Newcastle; besides the Sums already acknowledged by the Scotts Commissioners to be due unto them; and likewise to restore those Arms, which, as this House is informed, were taken from the Town of Newcastle.

Ordered, That the Substance of this Order shall be proposed to the Lords at the next free Conference.

Whittlock's Petition.

That the Petition preferred by Mr. Whittlock in the Forenoon, shall be taken into Consideration, after the Debate concerning the Bishops Impeachment shall be determined.

Letter read.

A Letter from my Lord General, dated 9° Aug. was this Day read.

Disbanding the Army.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. *

The Lords have commanded us to let you understand, that they have voted the Disbanding of the Foot as well as of the Horse; that they have assented to write the same Letters as this House hath done to the Lord General for that Purpose: And desire a free Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, concerning some Propositions touching the Scotts Army.

Answer returned, by the same Messengers;

This House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will give an Answer by Messengers of their own, with all convenient Speed, some time this Night.

Mr. Hampden was sent to acquaint the Lords, that this House is ready to give their Lordships a Meeting.

Impeachment of the Bishops.

.. Glyn, .. White, .. Solicitor, .. Fines, .. Selden, .. Rigby, .. Whittlock, .. Vaughan, .. Reynolds, .. Pelham, .. Dewes, .. Wilde;

This Committee is to prepare Heads for a Conference, to be desired with the Lords, concerning the Matter of the Conference had with the Lords touching the Impeachment against the Bishops.

Levying Soldiers for French King, &c.

Ordered, That the Propositions delivered from the Lords at a Conference, concerning the Levying of English and Irish Soldiers for the Service of the French King, and the King of Spain, shall be taken into Debate on Friday Morning at Nine of Clock: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind of this Order: And is then likewise to present to the House the Letters he lately received from Ireland.

Conference.

Mr. Hampden brings Answer, that their Lordships will give a present Meeting.

* Hampden, * Hotham, * Pym, * Hollis, * Colpeper, * Fines, * Hill, Sir Tho. Widdrington, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Treaty with Scotland.

Mr. Hampden reports * * * * that the Commissioners for Scotland * * * * concerning the final Conclusion of the Treaty, and some other Particulars that tend * * * *

The House of Commons gives this Answer to the Eighth Memorial, that it be recommended to the Gentlemen of those Counties to write their Letters to the Country, to give them the best Assistance they are able, in the Carrying the Artillery, Ammunition, and Baggage, the Scotts paying them for their Pains.