House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 7 November 1644

DIE Jovis, 7 die Novembris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Herle.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Ordinance concerning the Isle of Wight.

The Ordinance concerning the Isle of Wight, was read the Third Time, and Agreed to; and Ordered to be sent to the House of Commons, for their Concurrence.

Ld. Admiral to go to The Downs.

Ordered, That the Lord Admiral hath Leave to go to The Downes; and the Lord Rich his Son hath Leave to go along with him.

Sir Alexander Radcliff's Petition, to clear his Estate from Sequestration.

Upon reading the Petition of Sir Alexander Radcliffe; desiring, "That his Estate may be discharged from his Sequestration, he being cleared, by the Committee of Lords and Commons for Sequestrations, of those Crimes which were objected against him:"

Hereupon it (fn. 1) is Ordered, To be referred to the Committee of Lords for Sequestrations, to give him such Relief herein as they shall think fit. And the Petition is to be sent to the House of Commons, to desire them to refer it to their Committee.

Message to the H. C. with them; and for Committees to meet about the E. of Denbigh's Business.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech and Dr. (fn. 2) Aylett:

To desire that the Committee concerning the Earl of Denbighe's Association may meet with the Lords Committee, at Two of the Clock this Afternoon; and that they may report the whole Business.

2. To deliver to them the Ordinance (fn. 3) concerning the Isle of Wight, to desire their Concurrence therein.

3. To deliver to them the Petition of Sir Alexander Radcliffe, with Recommendations.

Paper against a Free Trade with the Ports in the King's Interest.

The Lord Admiral presented a Paper from the City of London, being Reasons against Free Trade to or from any Ports of His Majesty's Dominions, that are, or shall be, in Hostility against the King and Parliament, during the Time they continue so, &c.

Which Paper was read.

Report of the Conference concerning the Propositions.

The Speaker reported the Effect of the Conference Yesterday with the House of Commons, concerning the Propositions; "and they adhere, that the Names do stand in the Qualifications, as they were brought up, and not agree to put any Names out; and they agree to the Names added by this House; also they agree to some of the Alterations, and leave out others: And concerning the Propositions concerning the City of Lond. they have resolved, they shall be presented unto His Majesty with the Propositions of both Kingdoms, as Part of the Propositions of both Kingdoms for a safe and well-grounded Peace: And the House of Commons desires that the Propositions may with Speed be sent to the King."

And the House Ordered, To have a Free Conference with the House of Commons, to let them know, that this House, for preventing any further Debates as may arise, and consuming of any more Time, do agree to the Propositions as they came First up to this House from the House of Commons; and that it may be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to consider in what Manner it is fit to send these Propositions to the King.

Committee to be with the Scots Army.

It was moved, "That the House would consider of sending some from this House, to be joined with the Committee in the Scotch Army; and to give them Thanks for their great Love and Fidelity to this Kingdom, expressed in this Cause."

Ld. Purbeck's Annuity to be paid out of Sir Robert Coke's Lands.

Upon reading the Petition of John Viscount Purbecke; desiring, "That his Annuity of Nine Hundred Pounds per Annum and the Arrears may be paid him, out of the Lands of Sir Rob't Coke Knight, they being received by the Committee of Haberdashers Hall, in regard of the Delinquency of Sir Rob't Coke:"

It is Ordered, That the Committee of Lords and Commons at Haberdashers Hall shall pay the said Annuity and the Arrears due to the Lord Viscount Purbecke, out of the said Sir Rob't Cooke's Estate; unless they can give sufficient Reasons to this House, why his Annuity should be detained from him.

Answer from the H. C.

Sir Edward Leech and Dr. Aylett return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they have appointed their Committee to meet with the Lords Committee this Afternoon, to consider of a Report of the whole Business concerning the Earl of Denbighe's Association; concerning the Petition of Alex. Radcliffe, and the Ordinance touching the Isle of Wight, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message to the H. C. for a Conference about the Propositions.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Serjeant Fynch and Mr. Page:

To desire a Conference, in the Painted Chamber, concerning the Propositions.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That they will give a present Conference, as is desired.

Message from thence, about the Ordinance for Tithes.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Ashurst, &c.

To desire, at the next Conference, they may present to their Lordships some Things concerning the Ordinance for Payment of Tithes.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships will hear, at the next Conference, what they shall offer concerning the Ordinance for Payment of Tithes.

Carts coming through Palace Yard.

Ordered, That this House will (fn. 4) take into Consideration what Judgement to give in the Business concerning the (fn. 5) coming of Carts through The Ould Pallace, on Saturday next, at which Time Serjeant Whitfield is to be present.

E. of Pembroke, Leave to be absent.

Ordered, That the Earl of Pembrooke hath Leave to be absent for a few Days.

Ordinance concerning Crowland.

The Ordinance concerning Crowland, was read Thrice, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

A Paper from The States Ambassadors, directed to the Lord Gray of Warke, Speaker of the House of Peers assembled in the Parliament of England, was read in English, as follows.

Adjourn.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed, and adjourned till 9^a cras.

Paper from The States Ambassadors, for an Answer to their Proposition.

"Honourable Sir,

"We renew again, by these our Instances unto the Honourable House of Parliament, to have an Answer to our Public Proposition of the 12th of July last past, and to understand if the Interposition presented by our Lords and Superiors might be acceptable.

"You may believe, Sir, being admitted, we shall proceed in it in all Fidelity and Sincerity; for we suffer in your Evils, and prosper by your Welfare, being so narrowly joined with you by Union of Consciences, and all other Prosperities, which admits of no Doubt at all that we should not contribute all that lieth in our Power, to the strengthening of the true Christian Protestant Religion, and re-establishing of the just and true Maxims for the Welfare of these Kingdoms.

"The Proofs which you shall have of our good Endeavours when acceptable, and the common Interest of Religion and State, will sufficiently assure their Honours, that never a greater and better Union and Amity may be expected from any other State, than that which our Lords and Superiors will strive always to continue between these Kingdoms and their Republic of The United Provinces."

Ordinance to prevent the Excursions of Crowland Garrison, lately taken by the King's Forces.

"Whereas the late Surprizal of the Garrison of Crowland, in the County of Lincolne, by the Forces raised in Opposition to the King and Parliament, is very prejudicial, and of ill Consequence, to the several Counties associated under the Command of the Earl of Manchester, as also to great Part of the County of Northampton, next adjoining to the same; and, by reason of the Unseasonableness of the Weather, the Approaches to the said Garrison are become so unaccessible, that, though Forces were drawn down to reduce the same, it cannot now possibly be done without much Charge and Difficulty; and whereas the best Means to prevent the Inroads, Plunderings, and other Outrages, of the said Garrison, and also to hinder the same from Provisions of Corn and other Supplies, is advised to be, by erecting and furnishing of Three several Forts, or Sconces, the Charge whereof will amount to near about Six Hundred Pounds, One near a Place called Brother House, in the County of Lincolne; another upon Dowesdale Bancke, in the said County; and a Third upon Burrow Banck, in the County of Northampton; each of which is to be manned with Fifty Men, or thereabouts; and to have attending to the same One Boat of Defence, to be contrived and built by the Direction and Appointment of the Commander in Chief of the said several Forces: Be it therefore Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, and by the Authority of the same, That the said Three several Forts, or Sconces; be raised and erected in the Places aforesaid, as by the Advice of the Commander in Chief of the said Forts shall be thought most convenient and advantageous for the Ends and Causes heretofore expressed, Two of the which said Forts or Sconces in the County of Lincolne, together with Two such Boats as aforesaid, to be erected, framed, manned, and furnished with Arms, Ammunition, Victuals, and all other Things necessary for the Defence and Maintenance of the same; and the said Men to be paid, during the Time they shall continue in the said Service, at the proper Costs and Charges of the said Association; the other Fort in the County of Northampton, together with One such Boat as aforesaid, to be erected; framed, manned, and furnished with Arms, Ammunition, Victual, and all other Provisions and Things necessary for the Defence and Maintenance of the same; and the said Men to be paid, during the Time they shall continue in the said Service, at the proper Costs and Charges of the said County of Northampton, by the Direction and Appointment of the Committee for the said County, who hereby shall have full Power and Authority to rate and tax the said County, for the raising, erecting, and maintaining of the said Forts, Boats, and Forces; and whereas, by reason of the divers and various Creeks and Drains in the several Fens wherewith the said Garrison of Crowland is environed, the said Forts or Sconces, though happily they may stop and hinder the principal and ordinary Passages and Excesses to the said Garrison, yet cannot possibly prevent the issuing out of small Boats with Parties to the Towns and Villages adjacent.

"And be it further Ordained, That Six Score of Horse or Dragoons, maintained by the Association, shall be sent and employed in those Parts, for the securing of the said associated Counties, and blocking up of the said Garrison of Crowland.

"And that Three Score of the Horse or Dragoons maintained by the County of Northampton shall be sent and employed in those Parts, for the securing of the said County, and blocking up of the said Garrison of Crowland.

"And be it further Ordained, That the Earl of Manchester do nominate and appoint a Commander in Chief, to command the said Forces, Forts, and Sconces.

"And be it lastly Ordained, That they shall have Power to raise the said Forts or Sconces in the Places aforesaid, or in any other Place, by and with the Advice of the Committee for the said Association."