House of Commons Journal Volume 10: 29 January 1692

Veneris, 29 Januarii; 3° Gulielmi et Mariæ.

Prayers.

Duke of Leinster's Nat.

SIR Jonathan Jennings reports from the Committee to whom the ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act for naturalizing Mainhardt Duke of Leinster, was committed, That they had made some Amendments to the Bill; which they had directed him to report to the House: And which he read in his Place, with the Coherence; and afterwards delivered in at the Clerk's Table: Where the same were read; and are as followeth; viz.

Press 1, Line 8, after "Germany," add "Willem Freemijn, Son of Govert Freemijn, and Anna his Wife, born at Zulesteyn, in the Province of Utrecht in Holland; Rudolph Kien, Son of Albrecht Kien, and Christina his Wife, born at Alscleben in Saxony; and Johan Vandorp, Son of Johannes Vandorp, and Anna his Wife, born at Ackon, the first Hanson Town of the Imperial."

Line 11, after "of," leave out "his;" and add "their."

Line 21, before "shall," add "Rudolph Kien, Willem Freemijn, and Johan. Vandorp."

Line 24, leave out "he is;" and add "they are."

Line 27, leave out "he;" and add "they."

Line 32, before "shall," add "Rudolph Kien, Willem Freemijn, and Johan. Vandorp."

Press 2, Line 2, leave out "his Resort or Pedigree;" and add "their several Resorts or Pedigrees."

Line 3, leave out "Heir to his;" and add "Heirs to their respective."

Line 8, leave out "him;" and add "them, or any of them."

Line 10, leave out "he;" and add "they."

Line 16, the same Amendment.

Line 17, after "Leinster," add "Rudolph Kien, Willem Freemijn, and Johan. Vandorp."

Line 19, after "Person," add "or Persons."

To the Title, add "and others."

The said Amendments, being severally read a Second time, were, upon the Question severally put thereupon, agreed unto by the House.

Monpovillan's Nat.

Sir Jonath. Jennings also reports from the Committee to whom the Bill for naturalizing Armand Nomper de Caumant, Marquis of Monpovillan, was committed, That they had also made some Amendments to the said Bill; which they had directed him to report to the House: And which he read in his Place, with the Coherence; and afterwards delivered in at the Clerk's Table: Where the same were once read throughout; and then a Second time, one by one; and agreed unto by the House, upon the Question severally put thereupon.

Ordered, That the Bill, with the Amendments, be ingrossed.

Earl of Suffolk's Estate.

An ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act to enable the Trustees of James late Earl of Suffolk to sell the Manor of Hadstock in Essex, for discharging several other Manors and Lands of the said late Earl from Five thousand Pounds, Remainder of Ten thousand Pounds by him formerly charged thereon, was read the First time.

Resolved, That the Bill be read a Second time.

Apprehending Highwaymen.

Mr. Brewer, according to Order, presented to the House a Bill for Encouraging of such as shall take and apprehend Highwaymen. And the same was received.

Judges Commissions and Salaries.

A Bill to ascertain the Commissions and Salaries of the Judges, was read the First time.

Resolved, That the Bill be read a Second time.

Punishment of Offenders.

An ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act to take away Clergy from some Offenders, and to bring others to Punishment, was read the Third time.

An Amendment was proposed to be made, in Press *, Line *, by leaving out "January;" and inserting "March."

And the same was, upon the Question put thereupon, agreed unto by the House.

Resolved, That the Bill do pass: And that the Title be agreed to.

Ordered, That Mr. Serjeant Wogan do carry the Bill to the Lords; and acquaint them, That this House hath agreed to the Bill, with some Amendments: To which they desire their Lordships Concurrence.

London Orphans.

Then the House, according to the Order of the Day, resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider of Ways to satisfy the Debts due to the Orphans of the City of London.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair.

Mr. Harcourt took the Chair of the Committee.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Mr. Harcourt reports from the said Committee, That they had made some Progress in the Matter to them referred; and had directed him to move the House, That they might have Leave to sit again.

Resolved, That this House will, upon Wednesday Morning next, at Ten a Clock, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider of Ways to satisfy the Debts due to the Orphans of the City of London.

Supply Bills; English and Irish Forfeitures.

Resolved, That this House will, upon Monday Morning next, at Eleven a Clock, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider of the several Bills for vesting the forfeited Estates in England and Ireland in their Majesties, to be applied to the Use of the War.

Commissioners of Accompts.

Mr. Herbert reports, That the Members appointed had prepared Reasons to be offered, at a Conference with the Lords, touching the Amendments made by their Lordships to the additional Bill, for the appointing and enabling Commissioners to examine, take, and state the publick Accompts of the Kingdom; which Reasons they had directed him to report to the House: And which he read in his Place; and afterwards delivered in at the Table: Where the same were read; and agreed unto by the House; and are as followeth; viz.

1. This Bill is for reviving the Act passed the last Sessions, in order to perfect the Stating of the Accompts, in which the Commissioners, named by the Commons, have already made a considerable Progress.

2. In all Acts that have ever passed for taking Accompts of publick Money, the Commissioners have been always named by the Commons only; and in particular, in an Act passed 19^th Car. II^d, intituled, An Act for taking the Accompts of the several Sums of Money therein mentioned; which Act impowers the Commissioners therein named to take Accompt, not only of Money granted by the Commons, but also other Sums of the publick Revenue: And although that Act requires an Account to be given to the King's Majesty, and to both Houses of Parliament; yet all the Commissioners, thereby constituted, were named solely by the Commons.

3. The Commons, by this Bill, appoint those, whom they name Commissioners, to do that out of Parliament, which, during the Session of Parliament, is the proper Work of the House of Commons; in whom, by the Laws and Customs of the Kingdom, the Power of granting Supplies to the Crown is vested, as an essential Part of their Constitution: And the taking and examining the Accompts thereof is of Right in them also: And they being the Representatives of all the Commons, no Commoner can be named but by them.

4. The Disposition, as well as granting Money by Act of Parliament, hath ever been in the House of Commons: And these Amendments relating to this Disposal of Money to the Commissioners, added by the Amendments, do intrench upon that Right: And therefore the Commons, for these Reasons, do disagree with their Lordships in all their Lordships Amendments to the said Bill.

Conference desired with Lords.

Resolved, That a Conference be desired with the Lords, upon the Subject Matter of the Amendments made by the Lords to the said Bill.

Ordered, That Mr. Herbert do, upon Monday Morning next, go to the Lords; and desire the said Conference.

East India Company.

A Petition of the Master, Wardens, and Assistants of the Company of Clothiers within the City of Worcester was read; setting forth, That if the East India Company were obliged to export yearly, as they may, great Quantity of Woolen Cloths into those Parts where they traffick, the Woolen Manufacture would be much increased, and many more of the Poor employed than now are: And praying a Clause may be added to the Bill for regulating the said East India Company, That Woolen Cloth may be yearly shipped free by any their Majesties Subjects paying the Duties, or such other Clause as to the House shall seem meet, for the Exportation of Cloth.

Ordered, That the Consideration of the said Petition be referred to the Committee of the whole House, to whom the Bill for establishing an East India Company is committed.

And then the House adjourned till Monday Morning, Eight of the Clock.