House of Commons Journal Volume 10: 28 November 1691

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 10, 1688-1693. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 10: 28 November 1691', in Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 10, 1688-1693( London, 1802), British History Online https://prod.british-history.ac.uk/commons-jrnl/vol10/pp563-566 [accessed 25 November 2024].

Sabbati, 28 die Novembris; 3° Gulielmi et Mariæ.

Prayers.

Defaulter at Call of the House.

ORDERED, That Henry Mannaton, Esquire, a Member of this House, in Custody of the Serjeant at Arms for not attending the Service of the House, be admitted into the House, having paid his Fees to the Serjeant.

Davile's Estate.

A Bill to enable Wm. Davile to sell some Lands, for Payment of Debts, was read the Second time.

Resolved, That the Bill be committed to Mr. Christie, Sir Tho. Bernardiston, Sir Jervas Elwes, Mr. Cooke, Sir Robert Davers, Major Vincent, Sir Rob. Edon, Sir Tho. Darcy, Mr. Arnold, Mr. Biddolph, Mr. Bromley, Sir Rob. Cotton, Sir Sam. Bernardiston, Mr. Blowfeild, Mr. Goldwell, Mr. England, Sir Wm. Cook, Sir Cha. Wyndham, Mr. Slater, Mr. Dyot, Mr. Lampton, Mr. Henley, Mr. Parker, Mr. Baddingfeild, Mr. Leving, Mr. Kenyon, Mr. Clerke, Mr. Hutchinson, Mr. May, Sir John Fagg: And they are to meet this Afternoon at Four of the Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber.

Eyre's Estate.

A Petition of Anth. Eyre, Esquire, was read; setting forth, That the Petitioner settled divers Lands in Cheshire on Trustees to himself for Life; then for a Term of Ninetynine Years; and afterwards to his First and other Sons by Ann his Wife; Remainder to his right Heirs: That the said Term, by Decree 34 Car. II^di, was assigned to the Petitioner, to enable him to pay Debts: That the Petitioner is seised of an Estate, in Fee, in Lincolnshire, equivalent in Value to That in Cheshire: And that it will be of great Advantage to the Petitioner's Children to have the Lincolnshire Estate settled, that it may come to them immediately after his Death, in lieu of the Cheshire Estate; which cannot come to them till after the said Term of Ninety-nine Years: And praying Leave to bring in a Bill to enable the Petitioner to sell the Estate in Cheshire to pay Debts, and to settle the Estate in Lincolnshire to the same Uses.

Resolved, That the Examination and Consideration of the said Petition be referred to a Committee: And they are to report their Opinions therein to the House.

And it is referred to Sir Rob. Cotton, Sir Rich. Hart, Sir Rob. Henley, Mr. Arnold, Mr. Leving, Mr. Hawtry, Mr. Chetwyn, Mr. Bygot, Sir Rob. Davers, Mr. Shackerly, Mr. England, Sir Tho. Darcy, Mr. Greenfeild, Mr. Henley, Major Vincent, Sir Wm. Langham, Mr. Blowfeild, Mr. Lutterell, Sir Jervas Elwes, Mr. Cooke, Mr. Mannaton, Mr. Clerke, Mr. Biddolph: And they are to meet this Afternoon at Four of the Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Miles Cooke and Sir Adam Ottley;

Mountague's Estate.

Mr. Speaker, The Lords have passed a Bill, intituled, An Act for the vesting and settling divers Lands in Gloucestershire in Trustees, to be sold for the paying the remaining Portions to the Children of Geo. Mountague, Esquire, deceased: To which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

And then the Messengers withdrew.

Butter and Cheese Trade.

A Bill for remedying the Abuses in Weighing and false Packing of Butter, and also of the Abuses in Making and Weighing of Cheese, in the Counties of Norfolk and Suffolke, was read the Second time.

Resolved, That the Bill be committed to Sir Wm. Cooke, Sir Rob. Henley, Mr. Glemham, Sir Sam. Bernardiston, Mr. Goldwell, Sir Rob. Rich, Mr. Carter, Sir Jervas Elwes, Mr. Thornhaugh, Mr. England, Mr. Jervois, Sir Robert Cotton, Mr. Henley, Mr. Fuller, Mr. Christie, Sir Tho. Bernardiston, Sir Tho. Darcy, Mr. Shackerly, Mr. Bromley, Mr. Kenyon, Mr. Norreys, and all the Members that serve for the City of London, and Counties of Norfolke, Suffolke, and Chester: And they are to meet this Afternoon at Four of the Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber.

Recovery of Tythes.

Ordered, That the Report, from the Committee to whom the Bill for the more speedy and easy Recovery of small Tythes, was committed, be made upon Tuesday Morning next.

Dover Harbour.

A Petition of the Mayor, Jurats, and Freemen of the Town and Port of Dover, and of several of the Gentry inhabiting in the County of Kent, was read; setting forth, That the said Port is so advantageous to the Kingdom, that ever since King Hen. the Eighth's Reign, it has been the Care of the Publick to make Provision for maintaining thereof, particularly 14 Car. II. An Act was made for raising a Duty for Seven Years for that Purpose: But, by the Neglect of the Trustees, the Act proved ineffectual: That the said Harbour may prove very serviceable to the Kingdom in Time of War, and prove a great Shelter for Ships in Storms: But that, for want of Maintenance, the Harbour is now almost choaked up, and the Timber Work much damnified; and, without some speedy Relief, will be inevitably lost, to the Ruin of the Town, and great Detriment of the Kingdom: And praying the Consideration of the House in the Premises.

Ordered, That Leave be given to bring in a Bill according to the Prayer of the said Petition: And it is recommended to the Barons of the said Port to prepare and bring in the same.

Deer stealers.

Mr. Brewer, according to Order, presented to the House a Bill for the better Discovery and Punishment of Deer-stealers.

The Bill was read the First time.

Resolved, That the Bill be read a Second time.

Hackney Coaches.

Colonel Granvile, according to Order, presented to the House a Bill for the Regulating of Hackney Coaches. And the same was received.

A Motion being made, and the Question being put, That the Bill be now read;

It passed in the Negative.

making Saltpetre.

Ordered, That Mr. Bickerstaffe, Sir Tho. Travell, Mr. Price, Mr. Paul Foley, Colonel Courtny, Sir Wm. Basset, Mr. Speccot, Mr. Onslow, Sir Peter Colliton, be added to the Committee appointed to prepare and bring in a Bill for the Making of Saltpetre here in England.

Supply.

Then the House, according to the Order of the Day, resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties, for the carrying on a vigorous War against France.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair.

Mr. Solicitor General took the Chair of the Committee.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Ordnance Estimate.

Sir Thomas Littleton, according to Order, presented to the House an Estimate of the Charge of the War in the Office of Ordnance for Land Service, for the Year 1692; And the same was read; and is as followeth; viz.

An Estimate of the Charge of the War in the Office of their Majesties Ordnance for Land Service, for the Year 1692; viz.



	£.	s.	d.
Arms, &c. for recruiting the Army, supposing it consists of Sixty-five thousand Men; as likewise a Proportion of spare Arms with the same	44,773	4	5
Ammunition for the like Number of Men	15,080	—	—
Tents necessary for supplying the Army	11,142	18	6
The Charge of cleaning and repairing Arms, Armour, and other Stores	8,000	—	—
The Charge of providing a Train of Artillery and Mortars, together with Bombs, Carcases, Shot, Waggons, Harness, Working Materials, and all other Necessaries for the same	110,000	—	—
The Charge of the proper Officers, Ministers and Attendants necessary for the said Train for One Year; as likewise for the Providing and Keeping of Draught Horses, and other Contingencies	50,000	—	—
The Charge of keeping, in the present Condition they now are, their Majesties Forts, Castles, and Garisons; with Platforms and Carriages thereto belonging; and supplying the Barracks with Bedding, and Expence of Gunners Stores	15,612	13	4
£.	254,608	16	3

Memorandum: There is no Regard had in this Calculation to the Charge of transporting any of the Stores above mentioned; That being in the Care of another Office, particularly appointed for that Purpose.



John Charleton.	C. Musgrave.
Tho. Littleton.	Wm. Boulter.

Ordered, That the Consideration thereof be referred to the Committee of the whole House, who are to consider of the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties for carrying on a vigorous War against France.

Army Estimate.

The Lord Ranelagh, according to Order, presented to the House a List of the General Officers, and their Pay; and also an Abstract of the Establishment of their Majesties Garisons: And the same were read; and are as followeth; viz.



	Per Diem.			Per Annum
A LIST of the General Officers, and their Pay.	£.	s.	d.	£.	s.	d.
Comte de Solmes, General of the Foot	6	—	—	2,190	—	—
Duke of Leinster, General of the Horse	6	—	—	2,190	—	—
Six Lieutenant Generals, viz. Earl of Oxford, Earl of Marlbrough, Monsieur Overkirque, Earl of Portland, Duke Schomberg, and Hugh Mackay, at Four Pounds per Diem	24	—	—	8,760	—	—
Five Major Generals, viz. Count Nassaw, Monsieur Zuylesteyn, Marquis Ruvigny, Colonel Trelawney, and Colonel Talmash, at Two Pounds per Diem each	10	—	—	3,650	—	—
One Lieutenant General of the Danes, the Duke of Wirtenberg	4	—	—	1,460	—	—
Two Major Generals more of the Danes, viz. Marquis de la Forest, and Monsieur Tettan, at Two Pounds a Day	4	—	—	1,460	—	—
Thirteen Brigadiers, viz. Colonel Maine, Lord Fitzharding, Colonel Churchill, Colonel la Meloniere, Colonel Stewart, Sir John Hanmer, Sir Hen. Bellasis, Colonel Villiers, Sir Thom. Levingston, Colonel Leveson, Monsieur de Lestrange, Colonel Ramsay, and Prince of Hesse, at One Pound Ten Shillings per Diem	19	10	—	7,117	10	—
Two Adjutant Generals, at One Pound each	2	—	—	730	—	—
Quarter Master General, Monsieur Scravenmore, at One Pound a Day; and Two Assistants, at Ten Shillings a Day	2	—	—	730	—	—
Paymaster General, Earl Ranelagh	1	—	—	365	—	—
Commissary General of the Musters, Earl of Suffolke, and Thirteen Deputies	7	9	4	2,725	6	8
Secretary at War, Mr. Blathwayt	3	—	—	1,095	—	—
Judge Advocate, Mr. Clerke, for himself and Deputies	1	12	6	593	2	6
Physician General, Doctor Hutton	—	10	—	182	10	—
Surgeon General, Mr. Van Loen	—	10	—	182	10	—
Apothecary General, Mr. Teale	—	10	—	182	10	—
Provost Marshal General, Captain Robinson, for himself Eight Shillings: and for Twenty-four Men at Three Shillings a Day each, Three Pounds Twelve Shillings	4	—	—	1,460	—	—
£	96	1	10	35,073	9	2

ABSTRACT of the Establishment of his Majesty's Garisons.

	Per Diem.			Per Annum.
	£.	s.	d.	£.	s.	d.
Berwick	2	14	3¼	990	9	2
Carlisle	—	19	—	346	15	—
Chepstowe	—	3	—	54	15	—
Chester	—	15	—	273	15	—
Cinque Ports	3	16	5¾	1,395	15	—
Clifford's Fort	—	6	—	109	10	—
Calshot Castle	—	7	6	136	17	6
Dartmouth	—	9	—	164	5	—
Guernsey	1	4	5¼	446	—	—
Gravesend and Tilbury	3	3	11¼	1,166	17	6
Hull and the Blockhouse	2	18	3¼	1,063	9	2
Holy Island	—	3	—	54	15	—
Hurst Castle	—	7	6	136	17	6
Jersey Island	1	6	5¼	482	10	—
Landguard Fort	—	10	—	182	10	—
St. Mawes	—	3	—	54	15	—
Pendennis Castle	—	16	5¼	295	10	—
Plimouth and St. Nicholas Island	3	5	9¼	1,200	6	8
Portland Castle	—	9	2	167	5	10
Portsmouth	4	12	3¼	1,683	19	2
Sheernesse	2	13	6	976	7	6
Scilly Island	—	10	—	182	10	—
Scarbrough Castle	—	5	10¼	107	5	—
Tinmouth Castle	1	6	—	474	10	—
Tower of London	5	16	9⅓	2,131	10	10
Virginia	1	12	10¼	600	—	—
Upnor	1	2	—	401	10	—
Windsor	1	—	—	365	—	—
North Yarmouth	—	6	—	109	10	—
Isle of Wight	3	9	10¾	1,275	12	6
St. James's Park Gunners	—	7	6	136	17	6
Firemaster and Drum Major	—	4	7¾	84	15	—
	47	5	4¹/8	17,252	4	3
Allowed by the present Establishment for Contingencies	38	—	—	13,870	—	—
£.	85	5	4¹/8	31,122	4	3
Out of which Sum there is really paid for Fire and Candle for the above Garisons				2,767	7	10½
And to the English and French Pensioners, according to Lists signed by his Majesty				4,668	13	3

So that what remains to answer Contingencies is but Six thousand Four hundred Thirty-three Pounds Thirteen Shillings and Ten-pence Halfpeny, after the Deductions of the aforesaid Two Sums.

Ordered, That the Consideration thereof be referred to the Committee of the whole House, to whom the Consideration of the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties for the carrying on a vigorous War against France, is referred.

A Motion being made, and the Question being put, That it be an Instruction to the Committee of the whole House, to whom the Consideration of the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties for the carrying on a vigorous War against France, is referred, That the Number of the Land Forces which his Majesty has been pleased to signify he thinks necessary to be continued in England, Scotland, and the West Indies, and to be transported beyond the Seas for the Service of the Year 1692, do consist of private Soldiers, not including Officers, making up that Number;

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Oath of Supremacy in Ireland.

Ordered, That the Amendments made by the Lords to the ingrossed Bill, intituled, An Act for the abrogating the Oath of Supremacy in Ireland, and appointing other Oaths, be taken into Consideration on Monday Morning next.

Supply.

Then the Order of the Day, for the House to resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties for the carrying on a vigorous War against France, was read.

And the Question being put, That the Speaker do now leave the Chair;

It passed in the Negative.

State of the Nation.

Resolved, That this House will, upon Thursday Morning next, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider of the State of the Nation.

Supply.

Resolved, That this House will, upon Monday Morning next, at Ten a Clock, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties for the carrying on a vigorous War against France.

A person in custody to be discharged.

Ordered, That Doctor Wellwood, in Custody of the Serjeant at Arms attending this House, be brought to the Bar of this House on Monday Morning next, in order to his Discharge.

Hawkers and Pedlars.

Ordered, That Sir Tho. Samuell, Colonel Perry, Sir Wm. Pritchard, Sir Cha. Bloys, Sir Jam. Rushout, Mr. Rudge, Mr. Sandford, Mr. Lutterell, Sir Edw. Philipps, be added to the Committee to whom the Bill for Suppressing of Hawkers and Pedlars, is committed.

Committees.

Ordered, That all Committees be revived.

And then the House adjourned till Monday Morning, Eight a Clock.