House of Commons Journal Volume 7: 20 March 1657

Friday, the 20th of March, 1656.

Vandermy's Nat.

ORDERED, That Lyzbett Vandermy, Wife of Joshua Fenwick, of Roterdam, Merchant, Jacob Goselinn of London, Son of Jacob Goselynn of Deepe in France, and Tobias Cremer of *, be referred to the Committee for Naturalization, to put their Names into some Bill for Naturalization, if they shall think fit.

Owse River.

Ordered, That the Bill for cleansing the River of Owse be read the Second time, on Wednesday next.

Sufferers at Gloucester.

Ordered, That the Amendments to the Additional Bill for Relief of several poor People, who had their Houses in Gloucester burnt, be read on Thursday Morning next.

Impropriations.

Ordered, That the Bill for Impropriations be read the Second time on Thursday next.

E. of Derby's Estate.

Ordered, That the Bill for the Earl of Derby be read on Friday Morning next.

Remonstrance.

The House, according to former Order, resumed the Debate upon the Remonstrance.

Resolved, That these Words be inserted into the Eleventh Article; viz. "and also the Securities given by the Publick Faith of the Nation."

Resolved, That these Words; viz. and the Engagement of the Publick Faith for Satisfaction of Debts;" be also inserted in the same Article.

The Twelfth Article being read;

Resolved, That, instead of the First Part of this Article, these Words be inserted; viz. "And all and every Person and Persons who have aided, abetted, advised, or assisted in any War against the Parliament, since the First Day of January 1641 (unless he or they have since borne Arms for the Parliament, or your Highness, or otherwise given signal Testimony of his or their good Affection to the Commonwealth, and continued faithful to the same); and all such as have been actually engaged in any Plot, Conspiracy, or Design against the Person of your Highness, or in any Insurrection or Rebellion in England or Wales, since the Sixteenth Day of December 1653."

Ordered, That Lord Broghill, Lord Commissioner Whitelock, Mr. Attorney, General Disbrow, Lord Commissioner Fiennes, Colonel Jones, Sir John Reynolds, Lord Chief Justice Glyn, Mr. Desbrow, do withdraw, and pen a Clause upon the Debate of the House, for Scotland, and another for Ireland; to be inserted into this Twelfth Article.

The last Clause of this Twelfth Article being read, beginning thus: "And that they be enjoined to take an Oath, &c." to the End of this Article;

And the Question being put, That this Clause stand in the Remonstrance;

It passed in the Negative.

Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to consider of the best Ways and Means to be offered in the Remonstrance, or otherwise, for securing the Peace of the Nation, against those who have been of the late King's Party; viz. Lord Commissioner Whitelock, Mr. Attorney, Sir Charles Wolsley, Baron Parker, Lord Commissioner Fiennes, Lord Chief Justice Glyn, Lord Cockrane, General Desbrow, Mr. Secretary, Sir John Hobart, Major-General Kelsey, Lord Cleypoole, Sir Rich. Onsloe, Colonel Brooks, Major Owen, Mr. Bampfeild, Mr. Godfrey, Colonel Mathews, Mr. Smyth, Lord Strickland, Mr. Shirley, Mr. Weston, Mr. Bacon, Lord Broghill, Mr. Nocll West, Captain Blackwell, Major-General Goff, Mr. Bodurda, Recorder of London, Sir John Thorougood, Colonel Blake, Mr. Jenkinson, Mr. Moody, Mr. Nath. Bacon, Mr. Fleetwood, be added to the Committee lastnamed, who are to be the Committee for this Purpose; and to meet To-morrow Morning in the Speaker's Chamber at Seven of the Clock: And that this extend also to the Security against Papists.

Lord Commissioner Lisle reports, from the Committee to whom the Clause, Yesterday offered to be inserted into the Tenth Article, was committed: Which was reported, and read in these Words; viz.

"And those Ministers, and others, who shall agree with the Publick Profession aforesaid, in Matters of Faith, although, in their Judgments and Practice, they differ in Matters of Worship and Discipline, shall not only have Protection in the Way of their Churches and Worship respectively, but be esteemed fit and capable, notwithstanding such Difference (being otherwise duly qualified, and duly approved), of any Civil or Ecclesiastical Trust, Promotion, or Employment whatsoever in these Nations: But for such who agree not in Matters of Faith with the publick Profession aforesaid, they shall not be capable of receiving the publick Maintenance appointed for the Ministry: Provided, that this Clause shall not be construed to extend to enable the Ministry aforesaid to hold any Civil Employment, which those in Orders were or are disenabled to hold, by any Act, intituled, An Act for disenabling all Persons in Holy Orders, to exercise any Temporal Jurisdiction or Authority.

Resolved, That this Debate be adjourned till Three of the Clock in the Afternoon.

Friday, 20th March, 1656: Afternoon.

Remonstrance.

THE House resumed the Debate upon the Report aforesaid: And several Alterations being made in the First Clause;

The Question being put, That these Words; viz. "That the Ministers, or publick Preachers, who shall agree with the Publick Profession aforesaid, in Matters of Faith, although, in their Judgment and Practice, they differ in Matters of Worship and Discipline, shall not only have Protection in the Way of their Churches and Worship respectively, but be esteemed fit and capable, notwithstanding such Difference (being otherwise duly qualified, and duly approved) of any Trust, Promotion, or Employment whatsoever in these Nations, that any Ministers who agree in Doctrine, Worship and Discipline, with the Publick Profession aforesaid, are capable;" be Part of the Remonstrance;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

So it was Resolved, That these Words; viz. "And those Ministers, or public Preachers, who shall agree with the Publick Profession aforesaid, in Matters of Faith, although in their Judgment and Practice, they differ in Matters of Worship and Discipline, shall not only have Protection in the Way of the Churches and Worship respectively, but be esteemed fit and capable, notwithstanding such Difference, being otherwise duly qualified, and duly approved, of any Trust, Promotion, or Employment whatsoever in these Nations, that any Ministers who agree in Doctrine, Worship and Discipline with the Publick Profession aforesaid, are capable of;" be Part of this Remonstrance.

Resolved, That these Words; viz. "And all others who agree with the Publick Profession in Matters of Faith, although they differ in Matters of Worship and Discipline as aforesaid, shall not only have Protection as aforesaid, but be esteemed fit and capable, notwithstanding such Difference, being otherwise duly qualified, of any Civil Trust, Employment, or Promotion, whatsoever in these Nations;" be Part of this Remonstrance.

Resolved, That these Words; viz. "But for such Persons who agree not in Matters of Faith with the Publick Profession aforesaid, they shall not be capable of receiving the public Maintenance appointed for the Ministry;" be Part of this Remonstrance.

Resolved, That these Words; viz. "Provided, that this Clause shall not be construed to extend to enable such Ministers or publick Preachers, or Pastors of Congregations, but that they be disenabled, and they are hereby disenabled, to hold any Civil Employment, which those in Orders were or are disenabled to hold, by an Act, intituled, An Act for disenabling all Persons in Holy Orders to exercise any Temporal Jurisdiction or Authority;" be Part of this Remonstrance.

The Lord Chief-Justice Glyn reports a Clause from the Committee to be inserted for the Twelfth Article.

Resolved, That the Word "Publick" be inserted next before the Word "Trust," in this Report: And the same, so amended, being put to the Question; It was

Resolved, That these Words; viz. "that all and every Person and Persons who have aided, abetted, &c.;" be Part of the Remonstrance.-

Bill of Indemnity.

Resolved, That Mr. Attorney-General be commanded to bring in a Bill of Indemnity, and Oblivion, for all such Persons who have served or adhered to the Parliament or his Highness the Lord Protector, in or to the Commonwealth of England, Scotland, and Ireland.-

Remonstrance.

Ordered, That this Debate on the Remonstrance be adjourned till Monday Morning; and nothing to intervene.

Committee added.

Ordered, That Sir John Trevor, Mr. Hampden, and Colonel Carter, be added to Colonel Cook and Mr. Cony's Committee.