House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 22 November 1645

Die Sabbati, 22 Novembris, 1645.

Prayers.

THE Grand Committee, according to former Order, proceeded to take into Consideration the Business of sending Propositions to his Majesty for a safe and wellgrounded Peace.

Sir Thomas Widdrington in the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

An Ordinance for removing and disabling Sir Robert Heath, Sir Francis Crawley, Sir Richard Weston, Sir Robert Foster, Sir Thomas Mallet, heretofore Judges of the several Courts of King's-Bench, Common-Pleas, and Exchequer; and for making their Places void, as if they were dead; was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Ordered, That a Warrant shall issue, under the Hand of Mr. Speaker, directed to the Gentleman-Usher of the House of Peers, or other Officer there, in whose Custody Thomas Grove, a Servant to Mr. Gurdon, a Member of this House, and by him avowed to be his Servant, is detained, contrary to the Privilege of this House; requiring him forthwith to deliver and discharge him out of Restraint.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth nominate and approve of Mr. Thomas Curwen, Mr. Peter Mowson, Mr. Nicolas Mowson, Mr. Miles Halton, Mr. Michael Studholme, to be added to the Committee for Cumberland, in the Ordinance, of the Twentieth of June, for the Northern Association: And that they have full Power and Authority, as if their Names had been inserted in the said Ordinance.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

An Ordinance for reimbursing the Commissioners of Excise Two thousand Pounds, advanced by them, being Part of Ten thousand Pounds assigned out of the Receipts of the Excise, by Ordinance of the Eleventh of September 1643, for maintaining the supernumerary Forces of Horse and Foot of Yorkeshire, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

An Ordinance for satisfying and reimbursing the Commissioners of Excise One thousand Pounds, advanced by them for the Use of the Garison of Croyland, was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That the Clause concerning Intervals be left out.

And, so amended, the Ordinance, upon the Question, passed; and is ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

An Ordinance for regulating the University of Cambridge was this Day read the First and Second time; and, upon the Question, committed unto Sir Gilbert Gerard, Sir John Franklyn, Mr. Knightley, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Bond, Sir Thomas Widdrington, Mr. Darley, Sir William Massam, Mr. Selden, Mr. Millington, Mr. Sandys, Mr. Rous, Mr. Dowse, Sir Simon D' Ewes, Mr. Samuel Browne, Mr. Barrowe, Mr. Lucas, Mr. Low, Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Whitelock, Sir John Trevor, Sir Dudley North, Sir Robert Pye, Mr. Richard Browne, Mr. Corbett, Mr. Whittacre: And are to meet on Monday next, at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Exchequer-Chamber: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, and Records.

The List of the Establishment for the Garison . . . . . was this Day put to the Question; and, upon the Question, passed; and consented unto.

Resolved, &c. That the Proceed of the Earl of Devonshir's Twentieth-Part shall be employed for the Service of the Forces of the Garison of Bristoll, which are to be new raised there: And that the Lords Concurrence be desired herein.

Ordered, That the Committee of both Kingdoms do forthwith send Orders to Sir Thomas Fairfax; for sending a Strength of Horse and Dragoons, for Defence of these midland Parts; in pursuance of the Vote Yesterday passed to this Purpose.

The Amendments to the Ordinance concerning Plimouth, returned from the Lords, were this Day put to the Question; and, upon the Question, passed; and assented unto.

Ordered, That the Committee do take care, and give Order, for the Relief of the Necessities, and Supply of the Wants, of the poor distressed sick and maimed Soldiers at Bristoll.

An Ordinance for the Issuing of One hundred Pounds weekly, out of Haberdashers-Hall, to the Treasurers for maimed Soldiers, for the Relief of maimed Soldiers, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Sir Wm. Armyn, Sir Jo. Danvers, Mr. Recorder, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Sir Rob. Pye, Mr. Love, Alderman Atkin, Sir Tho. Barnardiston, Mr. Westroe, Mr. Boyse, Sir Dudly North, Mr. West, Mr. Leammon, Mr. Jo. Fienis, Mr. Barrow, Mr. Whittlock, Mr. Sallway junior, Mr. Boord, Mr. Hobby, Mr. Sandis, Mr. Scawen, the Knights and Burgesses of Berks and Oxon;

This Committee, or any Five of them, is to consider of settling an Establishment for the Garison of Abingdon: And are to meet this Afternoon at Two of Clock, in ... Duchy-Chamber: And have Power to send for Parties, &c. And the principal Care of this Business is especially referred to Mr. Love: And they are to make Report with all convenient Speed.

Resolved, &c. That Two hundred Pounds be forthwith provided, for furnishing Victual to be employed towards the Pay of the Soldiers at the Garison of Windsore: And that this Two hundred Pounds be charged upon the Committee at Haberdashers-Hall, to be paid unto Mr. Holland and Mr. Winwood; to be by them paid and employed to the Use aforesaid.

It is further Ordered, That it be referred to Sir Walter Erle, to take care for the furnishing Match, Bullet, and Ammunition, to the Value of One hundred Pounds, for the Garison of Windsore: For the Doing whereof, and for issuing the same out of the publick Stores, the Committee for Powder, Match, and Bullet, is to give Order accordingly.

A Message from the Lords, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath;

The Lords have commanded us to bring you this Paper: It is from the Committee of both Kingdoms: They do especially recommend the latter Part of it, which concerns Abingdon, lest any Inconvenience may come to the State, that it be taken into speedy Consideration.

The Lords desire a present Conference, by Committees of both Houses, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with your Conveniency, concerning one Thomas Grove, now a Prisoner under the Gentleman-Usher of the Lords House.

The Report was read; and was, for reading a Petition of the Gentlemen of Carmarthenshire; a Letter from Sir William Brereton, of 17 Novembris instant; and for settling an Establishment for the Garison of Abington.

Ordered, &c. That, when the Petition from the Gentlemen of the County of Carmarthen shall be read, a Letter from the Committee, of 8 Novembris 1645, from Carmarthen, directed to Mr. Speaker, shall be likewise read.

Mr. Whittacre reports, from the Committee, the Amendments, returned from the Lords, to the Ordinance concerning the Artificers: The which were read; and all agreed unto, except that concerning Soap, in the Eighth, Ninth, Tenth Lines, &c.: And do adhere to the Ordinance, as to that Particular, as it went from hence.

Mr. Tate is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire, That, at this Conference, the House may likewise have a Conference, concerning the Ordinance touching the poor Artisicers.

He likewise carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Ordinance for establishing the Garison of Bristoll; and the Ordinance concerning the uniting the Churches, and providing Maintenance for Preaching Ministers, in the City of Bristoll.

The humble Petition of Sir Edward Vaughan and Henry Middleton Esquire, in the Behalf of themselves, and the Inhabitants of the County of Carmarthen; a Letter from the Committee at Caermarthen, of November Eighth; and a Letter from Major-General Langherne; were all this Day read: And

Ordered, That they be referred to the Committee of Gloucester: And that Mr. Crew, Sir Walter Erle, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Bond, Sir Jo. Northcote, Sir Thomas Middleton, Mr. Hill, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Thelwall, Sir Wm. Lewes, Sir John Trevour, Mr. Sallway, Mr. Holles, Sir Mar. Lumley, Mr. Whitlocke, are added to the Committee of Gloucester, as to this Business: And are to hear the Mayor of Pembroke; and to receive all the Papers, Letters, and Informations, concerning him; and to report their Opinions to the House, upon the Whole: And are to meet at Two of Clock this Afternoon.

Ordered, &c. That the Letter from Sir Wm. Brereton, of 17 Novembris 1645, be read on Monday Morning next.

Mr. Tate brings Answer, That the Lords do agree, That, at this Conference, the Opinion of this House, upon the Amendments to the Ordinance concerning the Artisicers, ....: And, as to the Ordinances concerning Bristoll, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Mr. Whittacre, Mr. Corbett, and Mr. Tate, are appointed Managers and Reporters of this Conference.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House hath considered their Lordships Message: And, as to the Report from the Committee of both Kingdoms, they have taken them into Consideration, and will send Answer by Messengers of their own: And, as to the Conference, they do agree unto it, as is desired.

An Ordinance for securing and reimbursing the Commissioners of Excise, and new Impost, Two thousand Pounds, advanced by them for the Service of the Province of Munster, was this Day read: And, leaving out the Clauses concerning Intervals, the Ordinance, upon the Question, passed; and is ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Ordered, &c. That Mr. Ashhurst do, on Monday next, report the Ordinance concerning Martial Law, for the Cheshire Forces.

The House adjourned till Two post meridiem.

Post Meridiem.

AN Ordinance for authorizing a Committee of Lords and Commons to settle and regulate the Office and Officers of Arms, and all Abuses therein committed; and, in those Particulars only, to supply the Offices of Constable and Marshal of England; was this Day read the First and Second time; and, upon the Question, committed.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Bish and Mr. Broxholme be added to the Committee in the Ordinance for regulating the Office of Arms.

Resolved, &c. That Edward Lord Mountague shall be added to the Committee in the Ordinance for regulating the Office of Arms.

Sir Robert Pye, Sir John Trevor, Mr. Wheeler, Sir Philip Stapleton, Sir John Danvers, Mr. Charles Rich, Mr. Knightley, Sir Charles Egerton, Mr. Brian Stapleton, Mr. Ravenscroft, Mr. Bond, Mr. Salway, Mr. Reynolds, Colonel Longe, Mr. Stockdale, Mr. Whittacre, Sir Edmund Fowell, Colonel White, and Mr. Sam. Browne;

This Committee are to meet on Monday in the Afternoon at Two of Clock, in the Exchequer Chamber, to take the said Ordinance, concerning the Regulation of the Office and Officers of Arms, into Consideration: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records, &c.

Ordered, &c. That Mr. Winwood and Mr. Holland shall receive the Two hundred Pounds this Day ordered to be paid out of Haberdashers-Hall, towards the Provision of Victual for the Garison of Windsor: And that the said Victual be provided in such Proportions, as, upon Advice of the Governor of that Castle, shall be thought sit: And that Sir Walter Erle do take care, that the said Garison be forthwith provided with Ammunition, in such Proportion as the Committee of both Kingdoms shall direct.

Sir Philip Stapleton reports, from the Committee of Lords and Commons for Irish Affairs, a summary List of the British Forces, both Horse and Foot, in the Service of the Parliament in Ireland; with an Estimate of their Pay, according to that Establishment, for a Month: Which was read.

He further delivered in to the House the Accompts of the Forces in Ulster, Monster, and Connaght: The which Accompt for Monster was likewise read:

An Accompt of the Distribution of the Eighty thousand Pounds by the Committee of the Two Kingdoms, designed by the Ordinance for Ireland.

Ordered, &c. That the Members of this House that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, do, on Thursday Morning next, the first Business after Mr. Speaker comes to the Chair, bring in a particular Accompt, How, and in what Manner, the Eighty thousand Pounds, designed by the Ordinance for Ireland, hath been disposed: And that Mr. Pierpoint do then attend concerning the same.

He further reported Papers, concerning an Accompt from the Committee of Lords and Commons for Ireland, How the Estate of the Affairs of Ireland do stand, in relation to the Money collected and assigned for the Forces there, and carrying on the War; and for the Provisions made for that Kingdom: Which was read.

Ordered, &c. That Colonel John Moore shall have Leave to go into the Country, and to be dispensed with from his Service in the House, for Six Weeks.

A Message from the Lords, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath;

The Lords have commanded us to bring to you this Letter of Prince Rupert, and his Desires, and the Resolution of the Lords upon it: In which they desire your Concurrence. They have likewise commanded us to deliver unto you a Petition of the Prince's Servants, and their Resolution upon it: In which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The Letter from Prince Rupert was of 17 Novembris 1645, from Worcester; and was read; as also his Desires; together with the Resolution of the Lords upon them; which was in hæc verba; viz. "That this House doth not think it fit to recede from what was formerly agreed upon by both Houses of Parliament, and sent by their Messenger Mr. Edmund Pickering: If this be not accepted of, the Lords do think fit to recal Mr. Pickeringe with.. Fourteen Days;" and was, upon the Question, assented unto.

Ordered, &c. That the Committee of both Kingdoms do forthwith send the Resolution of both Houses, concerning the Letter and Desires from Prince Rupert, of 17 Novembris 1645, from Worcester, to Mr. Edmund Pickeringe: And that they do address a Letter to Prince Rupert, in pursuance thereof: And that they do likewise dispatch away Mr. Osborne, and those who came with him from the Prince.

The humble Petition of the Servants that attend the Royal Children here, was read; and the Resolution of the Lords upon it; and was in hæc verba; viz.

Resolved, &c. That the Servants and Officers belonging to the King's Children shall be freed from all Arrests for Debt, until both Houses of Parliament do take Course to satisfy and pay them their Wages and Arrears already due: And

It is thereupon Resolved, That this House will send Answer thereunto, by Messengers of their own.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

The House hath taken your Message into Consideration: And, as to the Resolution of the Lords, concerning Prince Rupert's Letter, and Desires, they do agree; and, as to their Resolution concerning the Petition of the Prince's Servants, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Sir John Evelyn junior brings Answer from the Lords, That, as to the Business concerning the Earl of Stamford, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own: And, as to the Votes for the Sheriffs of Suffolke, and County of Lincolne, they do agree: And, to the Vote for the HighSheriff of the County of Oxon, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Whereas the Tax for the Forces of Ireland was formerly laid, after the Rate of a Sixth-Part of the Assessments laid formerly for the Army under the Command of the Earl of Essex:

It is now Resolved, &c. That the Assessment for Ireland shall be laid and taxed, after the Rate and Proportion of a Third-Part of the Assessments laid by that Ordinance: And that Mr. Reynolds do bring in an Ordinance accordingly: These Assessments to begin from the First of this present November.

Ordered, &c. That it be referred to the Members of this House that are of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, to consider of, and state to the House, the Matter of Fact touching the present Government of Ireland, as it now stands, in all the Parts thereof; and touching all such Articles, Treaties, Contracts, Orders, or Votes, as have passed between the Houses and the Kingdom of Scotland, concerning the governing and carrying on the War of Ireland: And that they do make Report of this Business on Saturday Morning next: And that, immediately upon the said Report, the House be resolved into a Grand Committee, to take into Consideration the present Government in Ireland, and for the War there, for the future, may be governed and carried on to the best Advantage of the Service.