House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 13 October 1645

Die Lunæ, Octobris 13 , 1645.

Prayers.

ACcording to former Order, the Grand Committee sat; and proceeded to the Consideration of the last Papers from the Scotts Commissioners, referred unto That Committee.

Mr. Pury in the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

A Letter from the Scotts Commissioners, from WorcesterHouse, of Octobris 10 1645, directed to Mr. Speaker, was read; desiring, If there be any Complaints against their Army, as they are informed there are, from the North, that, before any Resolution be taken thereupon, they may be acquainted therewith, according to the Votes of both Houses, of Octobris 17 1644.

Mr. Pury reports the Votes of the Grand Committee, upon the Papers, from the Scotts Commissioners, referred to their Consideration: And

It is thereupon Resolved, &c. That this House doth declare, That, as they are bound, by the Covenant and Treaties, to maintain the Union and good Correspondency between the Two Kingdoms; so is their Resolution to employ and continue their utmost Endeavours to maintain the same, accordingly.

Resolved, &c. That the Scotts Army not engaging against the Enemy, according to the Desires of both Houses of Parliament, and their Continuance in the Northern Parts, contrary to those Desires, is not only unserviceable, but prejudicial to those Ends, for which their Assistance was desired, and destructive to those Parts of the Kingdom.

Resolved, &c. That their Laying of Taxes, and Raising of Monies, upon the Subjects of this Kingdom, and plundering their Horses and Goods, is against the Treaty, and against the Liberty of the Subject, which both Kingdoms are bound to preserve; and doth disable this Kingdom to pay the monthly Assessments for the Maintenance of that Army, and the Forces of the Northern Association.

Resolved, &c. That it be declared to the Inhabitants of the Northern Association, That they are not bound to pay any such Monies as are, or shall be, taxed upon them, without the Power or Authority of both Houses of Parliament, by the Scotts Officers, or any other Person.

Resolved, &c. That whatsoever Monies, Goods, Horses, or Provisions, have or shall be taken from any the Inhabitants of the Northern Association, or of any other Parts of this Kingdom, without the Power and Authority of both Houses of Parliament, by any of the Scotts Army, shall be repaid unto them out of the Monies designed for the Maintenance of That Army.

Resolved, &c. That such Commissions shall be issued, under the Great Seal, into every County of this Kingdom, where they shall be desired, for the certifying what Money, Billet, Horses, Cattle, Goods, or Provisions, have been levied or taken by any of the Scotts Army; with like Powers and Authorities as are contained in Commissions already issued in that Behalf into divers of the Northern Counties.

Resolved, &c. That whatsoever Monies, Horses, Goods, or Provisions, have been, or shall be, levied or taken by the Scotts Army upon the Inhabitants or Subjects of the Kingdom of England, shall be accounted as so much of the Pay of the Scotts Army: And that this Kingdom is disengaged for the Payment of so much as the same shall, upon Proof, amount unto.

Resolved, &c. That, in case the Pressures of the Scotts Army upon the Subjects of this Kingdom be continued, and unless Satisfaction shall be given touching the Premises, it cannot be expected, that this Kingdom shall make Payment of the Thirty-one thousand Pounds per Month to the said Army.

Resolved, &c. That it be desired, That Satisfaction may be given to this Kingdom, that such Forces of the Scottish Nation, as have been put into the several Garisons of Newcastle upon Tyne, the City of Carlisle, the Town of Hartlepoole, the Castles of Tynmouth, Warkworth, Thirlwall, and Stockton, without the Consent of both Houses of Parliament, may be forthwith removed; to the end the same may be disposed of in such manner as shall be thought sitting by both Houses of the Parliament of England.

Resolved, &c. That the Letters from the Committees at Yorke, of the Third and Fourth of this instant October, with the Votes thereupon, be communicated to the Lords, at a Conference.

Resolved, &c. That the Votes, formerly passed the House, for removing the Obstructions that happen in bringing in the Assessments for the Scotts Army; and for Providing of Thirty thousand Pounds for that Army, upon their coming to Newarke; be communicated to the Lords, at this Conference: And that a Committee be appointed to digest all the Votes into Form, sit to be delivered at a Conference, by way of Answer to the Scotts Papers.

Resolved, &c. That the House be desired, That the Two Days, formerly assigned for the Matter of Propositions for a safe and well-grounded Peace, may be set apart and observed, accordingly: And that the Declaration of this setting apart these Days shall be delivered unto the Lords at this Conference.

Resolved, &c. That the Letters from the North, and these Votes, be communicated to the Lords at a Conference; and the Lords desired, in case they shall assent unto them, That a Committee of Lords and Commons may be appointed to digest them into Form, to be an Answer to the Papers from the Scotts Commissioners.

Ordered, &c. That Wednesday next be appointed, between the Hours of Ten and Twelve, for reading the Ordinance the Third time, concerning Church-Government: And that the Members be all injoined to attend.

Sir Robert Pye went to the Lords, to desire a Conference, so soon as may stand with their Lordships Conveniency; and concerning the Impeachment of the Earl of Stampford: And likewise carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Ordinances for Five thousand Pounds, charged upon the Excise, for reducing Oxon, and the Reformadoes entertained by the Three Counties, Oxon, Bucks, and Berks; for an Hundred Pounds to the Scoutmaster-General; for an Hundred Pounds to Colonel Parsons; for an Hundred Fifty-seven Pounds Sixteen Shillings to Lieutenant-Colonel Birkhead; for Two thousand Pounds for the Use of the Isle of Elye; for Five hundred Pounds, with Interest, for Colonel Mitton; all out of the Excise.

Mr. Long reports from the City, That they would endeavour, and were in good Hopes, to effect the Provideing of Thirty thousand Pounds for the Scotts Army, in case they shall be before Newarke by the First of November; otherwise not.

This to be communicated to the Lords.

Resolved, &c. That the House do sit in a Grand Committee every Tuesday and Thursday, immediately after Prayers, to take into Consideration the Matter of Propositions for a safe and well-grounded Peace: And that this Committee do begin first to sit To-morrow, presently after Prayers.

Mr. Lisle went to the Lords, to desire a Conference, so soon as may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning Letters from the Committees at Yorke, touching the Scotts Army; and concerning Papers from the Scotts Commissioners, and some Votes thereupon.

Mr. Pury is appointed to manage this Conference.

Sir Robert Pye brings Answer, That, as to the Conference concerning the Earl of Stamford's Impeachment, they will give a Meeting, at a Conference in the Painted Chamber, To-morrow at Ten of Clock: And, as to the other Ordinances carried up by him, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordered, &c. That the Committee of Accompts be desired to present to this House the Names of Four sit Persons, or more, to be added to that Committee, to be assisting unto them in taking and auditing the Accompts of Officers of the Armies, Waggoners, Officers and Soldiers of the Train of Artillery; and in making Debentures thereupon.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page;

The Lords have commanded us to deliver unto you this Letter from the King of Denmarke, for the Settlement of Trade: To put you in mind of certain Votes concerning Mr. Hancok; which they desire you to take into Consideration, for the Reasons in the Paper expressed, herewithal sent. They desire to put you in mind of the Order concerning a Collection for the Relief of the Exiles of Cornewall.

The Letter from the King of Denmarke was read.

Ordered, &c. That the House do meet To-morrow in the Afternoon, to take into Consideration the Letter from the King of Denmarke, and the Chancellor of Denmarke, concerning the Settlement of Trade, and the Papers of the Treaty, and our Commissioners Negotiation touching that Business: And, in the next place, to receive and take into Consideration the Reports concerning the Navy: And that the Declaration to be published to the World, setting forth the true State of the Differences between the King and the Parliament.

Ordered, &c. That the Business touching the Votes concerning Mr. Hancock, referred to the Committee of the West, be reported on Monday next.

Mr. Lisle brings Answer from the Lords, That the Lords will give a Conference To-morrow, in the Painted Chamber, at Eleven a Clock.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Finch and Mr. Page;

The Lords do agree to the Ordinance for the Raising and Lending of Forty thousand Pounds for Sir Thomas Fairefaxe's Army; with these Additions and Amendments.

The Addition and Amendments to the Ordinance for Forty thousand Pounds for Sir Thomas Fairefaxe's Ordinance were read; and, upon the Question, assented to.

The First Messengers were called in: And, as to their Message, the House returned this Answer; That they had considered their Message, and every Part of it; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

The Second Messengers were called in: And, as to their Message, the House returns this Answer; That they had considered of their Message; and do agree to the several Additions and Amendments.