House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 29 July 1645

Die Martis, 29 Julii, 1645.

Prayers.

THE Grand Committee of the House, according to former Order, proceeded to take into Consideration the Ordinance to be passed for Sale of Delinquents Estates.

Mr. Reynolds in the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

An Ordinance for securing and reimbursing the Commissioners of Excise Five thousand Pounds advanced by them, being Part of the Twelve thousand Pounds charged upon the Excise by Ordinance of 2 Junii, for the West, was this Day read; and, upon the Question passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

An Ordinance for reimbursing Two hundred Pounds to the Commissioners of Excise, advanced by them for MajorGeneral Skippon, out of the Receipts of the Excise, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Mr. Nicoll carried these Ordinances to the Lords: The Ordinance concerning the Isle of Ely, and the Garison of Croyland: And the Ordinance for charging, upon the Receipts of the Excise, Two thousand Pounds, for Provisions designed for Sir Wm. Cole's Forces in Ulster, and seized on for the Relief of the Forces in Pembrokeshire.

A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath;

The Lords received this Letter Yesterday Morning, from the Commissioners at Derby-House, and the Letters inclosed, with Desire to communicate them to this House: They desire, That these Letters may be perused; and that * * in them that concerns the Committee of Worcester, * * examined.

The Letters were read; one from the Commissioners at Derby-House, of July 28, 1645; one from the General and other Officers of the Scots Army, from Ledbury, of 23 Julii 1645; a Summons from the Earl of Calendar to the Governor of Cannon-Froome; with his Answer; a Letter from the Governor of Hereford, and from Sir William Flemyng, to the General the Earl of Leven, and to the Earl of Calendar, of Julii 21, 22; with their Answers: Which were all read.

Ordered, That a Letter be prepared by Sir Arthur Heselrige, Mr. Tate, and Sir Peter Wentworth, to be signed by Mr. Speaker, and sent to General Leven; giving him Thanks for, and taking notice of, the Expressions of his Care and Faithfulness to the Parliament, manifested in the Letters this Day read in the House.

Ordered, That a Jewel of Five hundred Pounds Value be forthwith provided, and sent to, and bestowed upon, General Leven, as a Testimony of the great Esteem this House hath of him, and of his many faithful Services to the Parliament and Kingdom of England.

Ordered, That the Sum of Five hundred Pounds, for providing a Jewel to be sent to General Leven, be charged upon the Excise, to be paid in Course: And Mr. Allen is desired to provide this Jewel: And the Care for directing the Fashion and Manner thereof is especially recommended to Sir Henry Mildmay.

Ordered, That Mr. Pury do prepare a Letter, to be signed by Mr. Speaker, and sent to the Committee at Gloucester, to consider of Cannon-Froome, lately taken in by the Scotts Army, Whether it be necessary to have any Garison there; and, if they shall conceive it necessary, then to consider of a faithful, experienced, and fit Person to be Governor thereof; and to present his Name to the House.

Ordered, That Mr. Sollicitor shall have Leave to go into the Country for a Month from Wednesday next shall be a Sevennight; and that his Service to the House be dispensed with during that time.

Ordered, That Sir Hen. Vane junior shall have Leave to go into the Country for a Month from Wednesday next shall be a Sevennight; and that his Service to the House be dispensed with during that time.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

The House hath considered your Message, and of the Letters; and have taken them into Consideration; and will send a further Answer by Messengers of their own.

A Letter from the Committee at Yorke, of 25 Julii 1645; with Propositions inclosed, made by the Governor of Carlile to the Country; were this Day read.

Mr. Richard Barwis informed the House, That he had likewise received Letters from the Country to the same Effect.

It is thereupon Ordered, That these Letters and Propositions be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms: Who are to take the same into Consideration this Afternoon: And the Commissioners that are appointed to go into Scotland are to be present, when the same are considered of: And Sir Hen. Vane the elder is to report what they think fit to be done thereupon, to the House, on Thursday Morning.

An Ordinance, for reimbursing to the Commissioners of Excise, or any other Persons that shall lend the same, or any Part thereof, the Sum of Five thousand Pounds, with Interest for the Time it shall be forborn, for the Service of Hants, was this Day read; and passed, upon the Question; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Mr. Nicoll brings Answer from the Lords, That they do agree to the Ordinance for Two hundred Pounds for Major-General Skippon: And, as to the other Particulars carried by him to the Lords, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Sir Arthur Heselridge reports, from the Committee of both Kingdoms, a Paper from the Scotts Commissioners, of 28 Julii 1645: Which was read; and was, to desire an Answer to a former Paper delivered in by them, touching renewing the Desires of both Kingdoms to his Majesty, for a safe and well-grounded Peace.

Ordered, That this Paper be taken into Consideration on Thursday Morning.

Ordered, That Sir John Clotworthy shall have Leave to go into the Country.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leeche and Mr. Page;

The Lords have received a Paper from the Scotts Commissioners; which they think fit to impart to you; and desire the same may be taken into Consideration. They have returned you the Ordinance concerning the Elections of Elders: It moved first from this House; and the Lords do agree to it, with these Alterations and Amendments. They commanded us to acquaint you, That they have consented to the Ordinance for Five thousand Pounds for the West. They have sent you an Ordinance concerning the Three Counties of Oxon, Bucks, and Berks: The Lords have agreed to it; and desire your Concurrence. They desire to put you in mind of Colonel Boteler: He hath lain long a close Prisoner: He hath been twice plundered by the King's Forces: They desire he may be brought to a speedy Tryal; or that you will take care he may be maintained in Prison, his Wife and himself being ready to starve.

The Amendments, sent from the Lords, to the Directions concerning the Election of Elders, were all read, being Seven in Number; and Six of them, upon the Question, assented unto.

The Fourth, concerning the excepting the Chapels belonging to the Peers of this Realm exempt from Episcopal Jurisdiction; and that the other Chapels or Places in the Houses of the said Peers shall continue free from the Exercise of Divine Duties therein, the Chaplains conforming themselves, in the said Chapels and Places, unto the Directory established; was read, and debated of; and, upon Consideration thereof, upon the Question, rejected: And

Ordered, That Reasons be given to the Lords, to express unto them, Why this House cannot assent to the said Fourth Alteration, above recited.

Resolved, &c. That a Conference be desired with the Lords, concerning the Ordinance for Election of Elders: And

Mr. Whitelock, Mr. Rowse, and Mr. Tate, are appointed to prepare Reasons to satisfy the Lords, Why this House cannot consent to the Fourth Amendment to the said Ordinance, sent this Day from the Lords.

The Ordinance concerning the Three Counties of Oxon, Buck', and Berk', was read, in hæc verba;

BE it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons, assembled in Parliament, That any Five of the Committees of the Counties of Oxon, Buck', and Berk', whereof one of each of the said Counties to be of That Quorum, shall have Power, and are hereby authorized, to execute all and every Thing contained in the Ordinance of the Twentyseventh of June 1644, concerning the said Three Counties.

Resolved, &c. That Colonel Butler, now Prisoner in the Tower, shall be bailed.

Ordered, That the Bail to be taken for Colonel Butler's Liberty, be sufficient and able Persons; and that the Bonds be Five thousand Pounds the Principal, and Two thousand Pounds the Sureties.

Ordered, That the Grand Committee of the House do proceed in the Ordinance for Sale of Delinquents Estates, the first Business, on Thursday Morning: And that Mr. Reynolds do take the Chair.

Ordered, That the Letters, presented this Day by Colonel Morley to the House; be read on Thursday Morning.

Ordered, That the Ordinance concerning the County of Essex be taken into Consideration on Thursday Morning.

The several Petitions of George Lilbourne, on the Behalf of himself, and the Inhabitants of the Borough of Sunderland; and of Michael Crake, one of his Majesty's Footmen in Ordinary; were this Day both read; and were concerning the Water-Bailiff's Place of the Town of Sunderland, alleged by the said George Lilbourne to be granted by the Bishop of Duresme, amongst other things, to the Use of the Poor of the said Town; and claimed by the said Crake by a late Grant from his Majesty under the Great Seal: In which Case, several Orders of this House have been heretofore made.

It is this Day Ordered, That all Orders of this House, at any time heretofore made, concerning the said WaterBailiff's Place, be hereby vacated and revoked: And that the Possession of the said Place, with the Profits thereof, be settled in such manner as the same were enjoyed before the Making of any the said Order or Orders: And the Parties aggrieved are hereby left to prosecute their Right at the Common Law.

Ordered, That Mr. Millington do make his Report concerning Mr. Devoreux his Ordinance on Thursday Morning next.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message: And, as to the Ordinance for the Three Counties of Oxon, Buck', and Berk', they do agree: And, as to the rest of the Messages, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.