House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 18 April 1604

Mercurii, 18o Aprilis, 1604

Alehouses, &c.

L. 1. B. CONCERNING Alehouses, Taverns, Inns, and Common Brewers.

Ditto.

L. 1. B. For avoiding the superfluous Number of Alehouses, and the great Disorders in Inns and Victualing-houses.

Apparel.

B. Concerning Apparel, reported from the Committee by Sir Edward Mountague, with Amendments; the Amendments twice read; and the Bill, upon Question, ordered to be ingrossed.

Free-Trade.

L. 1. B. For all Merchants to have free Liberty of Trade into all Countries, as is used in all other Nations.

Extortion.

B. Concerning Extortion (newly intituled, An Act for the better Execution of Justice) reported from the Committee by Mr. Serjeant Snig, with Amendments; which being twice read, the Bill, upon Question, ordered to be ingrossed.

Ordnance.

B. Against Transportation of Ordnance: - Third Reading; and, upon Question, passed.

Liberties of the Subject.

B. To confirm the Subjects of this Realm their ancient Liberties, reported from the Committee by Mr. Winch, as fit to sleep; and a new Bill brought in by him, intituled, An Act to confirm to the Commons their Freedoms and Liberties.

Outlaws, &c. not to be in Parliament.

L. An Act to disable all outlawed Persons and Persons in Execution, and all Recusants convicted, to be of the Parliament: - Upon a third Reading, much disputed ; and, upon the Question, dashed. - Not One Yea; and ordered so to be entered.

Bills passed this House, sent up to the Lords by Mr. Secretary Herbert.

Bills of Restitution.

1. An Act of Restitution of Henry Earl of Southampton.

2: An Act of Restitution of Thomas, only Son of Philip, late Earl of Arundell.

3. An Act of Restitution of the Son and Two Daughters of Robert, late Earl of Essex. 4. An Act for the Restitution of William Pagett, only Son of Thomas, late Lord Pagett.

Countess of Nottingham's Nat.

5. An Act for the Naturalizing of the Right honourable Margarett Countess of Nottingham.

Restoring Lucas.

6. An Act for the Restoring of Thomas Lucas, Gentleman, in Blood.

Ordnance.

7. An Act against Transportation of Ordnance.

Prisoners.

8. An Act, authorizing Justices of Peace to deliver certain Prisoners out of Gaol.

Forcible Entries.

9. An Act for Explanation of the Statute, touching forcible Entries, 8 H. VI.

Infants.

10. An Act touching common Recoveries against Infants.

Ordnance.

The Bill touching Ordnance, to be presented with special Recommendation from the House, for easy and speedy Passage ; and with a Desire, that present Order may be taken, for the Stay of 400 Ton of Ordnance, now ready to be transported.

Nota, That such Bills, as came down from the Lords, and pass this House, when they are sent up again, are to be presented first, before any Bills, which had their first Beginning and Passage in this House; next, the publick; last, the private Bills of this House.

Touching Matters of Religion, and Government ecclesiastical, it was urged by some, that the Messenger sent with the Bills, might move a Conference to be had generally with the Lords, and not otherwise; the Time and Place to be appointed by them; yet, that the Desire of the Committees is, there may be some Time of Intermission, and Deliberation, being a Matter of Moment, and so recommended by his Majesty.

Upon this Motion, Mr. Speaker took Occasion to deliver his Majesty's further Pleasure :

That touching those Matters, he had given Power by his Letters Patents to the Members of the Convocation House, to debate, consider, and determine.

That his Majesty would make no new Precedents ; would protect us in that we have, and not subject us to any other; and wisheth, we would confer (as was assented) with the Bishops, as Lords of Parliament.

Which was agreed; and the Messenger appointed to move to that Purpose.

And further, Mr. Speaker desired, they would fall into Resolution for Conference touching the Matter of the Union.

Ecclesiastical Possessions.

Sir Edw. Coke, his Majesty's Attorney General, Sir Edw. Stanhope, and Sir Rich. Swale, bring from the Lords a Bill, intituled, An Act against the Diminution of the Possessions of Archbishops, and Bishops, and for Avoiding of Dilapidations of the same : Which (they said) was an Act, that passed the Lords with great Applause ; and proceeded merely from the King's own religious Piety, and Princely and Christian Motion.

Purveyors, &c.

The Petition touching the Abuses of Purveyors, &c. was brought in by the Committee, and so pressed to a Reading, as the House grew to a Division about it:

With the Yea, 153.

Noe, 185.

Difference, 32.

Ordered, To be read Tomorrow Morning.

Union with Scotland.

Sir Edward Grevill stirreth the Dispute touching the Union in Name; which was pursued by Sir Robert Wingfield, Sir John Heigham, Sir Edward Hobby, Mr. Hoskins, Mr. Francis Moore, Mr. Nath. Bacon, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir Maurice Barkley, Mr. Brook, Sir Henry Jenkins, Sir Oliver St. John, Sir Edw. Hobby.

Some by way of Reason, and Persuasion of the Thing itself: Some, of the Course to be held in proceeding.

Pro. For the Thing: That God had made an Union. Tygris and Euphrates are run together, and the Noise is gone throughout the World. - The King may name it at his Pleasure: We, Subjects, since we see it done by God, are to join to give Obedience to the King; not for Reason of Policy, but for Christianity, in imitating God: 1. For Staying of Effusion of Blood : 2. For taking away Factions in several Names.

The King lineally descended both from the Blood of England and Scotland. - By the Name of Britain we return ad pristinam dignitatem, to Antiquity, which is most honourable.

Not so much to think of the Name as the Reason of Change: The Reason is, the Uniting of Two ancient, valiant, and great Kingdons. - No Separation between the Two Kingdoms; if any, imaginary. - Distaste of Scottish and English shall be taken away. - Less Union in Hearts if it be not effected. - The King hath not offered it, but upon great Deliberation. - His Care, that being both his Children, we should have all one Name. - Let there be no Cause of Strife, for we are Brethren. - Si vis

regnare, divide: A most irreligious Saying of Machyavell.

- After the Queen's Death, Expectation of Horror and Confusion : Sed Sol occubuit, nox nulla secuta est. - The Star that came from the North, &c.

In H. VIII. E. VI. and the late Queen's Days, this Union much affected. - If the Queen, in her Time, had commanded it, should we have refused it ? - God and Nature our best Guides. - Unus Deus, una fides, unum baptisma; unus rex, una Britannia, unum imperium.

Contra. - Names of Nations, and Titles of Kings, are in Question : - No Trifles - Twenty Year since a great Controversy betwen the Papists, English, and Scottish:

- The Queen of Scotland to be called Queen of Scotland, England, France, and Ireland; the English aliter, as now it is: - The B. of Rosse, to make an End of it, would have it. Queen of Great Brittaine; - The Scottish well content.

Long continued in the Name of England, glorious and famous: - Fear of War by the Change. - In all Conquests the Kingdom of England continued his Name.

- England never subject to One Monarchy. - In Scotland, Man and Wife keep their first Names; so may the Two Kingdoms marry together, and yet keep their Names. - Princes affect Length of Titles : - An Ambassador took up his Breath in reciting the Titles of the Emperor of Russia; it was ill taken, and he not to be entertained, except he could go through. - No Man knows, whether Scotland will agree. - Verbaque provisam rem non invita sequuntur. - Let Scotland seek it. - This Kingdom the more glorious, the more honourable.

Touching the Course of proceeding:- Pedibus ire sententia: - To go slowly to work : - To proceed only to a Resolution of Conference: To draw Instructions for the Committees. -

A Conference, not to bind, but to move. -

A Conference, touching the Alteration of the Name; Commissioners to be named for the rest. -

To consider, whether the Name to be proceeded in as the rest. - The Name and Matter of the Union referred. -

That every Man should deliver Opinion before Conference. -

Not so pertinent to yield Opinions, until a Conference.

The Parliament of Scotland hath already consented; therefore to hasten a Conference.

To debate the Matter further To-morrow Morning, at Eight a Clock.