15th May 1624

SATURDAY, 15 MAY 1624

I. JOURNAL OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, PA, HC/CL/JO/1/14

[CJ 704; f. 40v]

Sabbati, 15⁰ Maii, 22⁰ Jacobi

MR. [RICHARD] SPENCER reports the bill against r[eceiving] secret pensions. Recommitted. Reported back. Engrossetur.

MR. [CHRISTOPHER] SHERLAND reports [Sir James] Ward's bill, with amendments and provisos, which twice read. Engrossetur.

A serjeant-at-arms to go for [Roger] Wood for not delivering in his patent for printing of briefs and other things on one side unto the committee for grievances, having been, by several warrants from the committee, enjoined to bring it in; and so for Withers and all others that have been warned and have not brought in their patents.

SIR ROBERT HARLEY reports the bill of [river] Wye, with amendments and proviso, which twice read.

Upon first question, of recommitting, the voice doubtful and the House divided:

To be recommitted. Sir Edward Coke, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. [John] Glanville, to be added to the committee. Tuesday, Inner Temple Hall, 2 [o']clock.

L. 3a. An act against assignment of debts to the King.

Upon question, passed.

L. 3a. An act against simony.

Upon question, passed.

• [f. 41] 1. Act against simony.
• 2. Assignment of debts to the King.
• 3. Lady Darcy's bill.

Sent up to the Lords by Sir Edward Coke.

All the lawyers of the House that will come to the committee for preparing the grievances to have voice. 2 [o']clock this afternoon, Inner Temple Hall.

Apothecaries' bill. Wednesday in the afternoon, 2 [o']clock.

MR. [JOHN] GLANVILLE reports the bill of exaction of fees by customers, etc. Engrossetur.

SIR THOMAS HOBY. That there may be some opinion delivered by this House concerning the report made concerning York.

Staplers' business to be ended the first cause at the grievances.

SIR FRANCIS SEYMOUR moves some of the committee may go from the House to the Lord Marshal to desire him to restore York to his place. But resolved not to send to any Lord in such case.

The Lady Boteler's case, half heard, specially recommended to be speeded at the committee for grievances.

SIR EDWARD COKE reports from the Lords that the bill of concealments in hand with them, and that the Lords will confer about monopolies Wednesday next, in the afternoon, 2 [o']clock.

[CJ 705] The grievances of 7⁰ Jac. to be considered of this afternoon by the committee for the grievances now.

Mr. Speaker went out of the chair, and the committee for trade sat.

Mr. Serjeant [Sir Ranulphe] Crewe, Mr. Attorney General, bring from the Lords 4 bills:

• 1. Hospitals.
• 2. York House, etc. to the King, etc.
• 3. [Toby] Palavicino's bill.
• 4. Act to make the lands of Lionel, Earl of Middlesex, subject to the payment of his debts.

That 16 of the Lords will meet with a proportionable number of this House upon Wednesday next, 8 [o']clock, to r[eceive], upon conference, what this House shall deliver concerning the Bishop of Norwich, in the Painted Chamber.

Answer, by the same messengers: we will be ready according as is desired.

appointed for this conference. This committee to meet at Sir Edward Coke's chamber, at 3 of the clock, to examine and consider of the heads of the charge to be presented to the Lords against the Lord Bishop of Norwich.

Ordered, that after the conference upon Wednesday, the determination of the question shall be about white cloth.

A reservation this day of all committees, the river of Wey and all public committees.

Mr. Speaker adjourns the House until Wednesday next, 7 [o']clock.

[House adjourned]

II. JOURNAL OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, PA, HC/CL/JO/1/13

[CJ 789; f. 201v]

Sabbati, 15 Maii 1624

MR. [RICHARD] SPENCER reports the bill against pensions. Amendments twice read. Recommitted. Presently, Committee Chamber.

[f. 202] MR. [CHRISTOPHER] SHERLAND reports [Sir James] Ward's bill. Amendments twice read.

Ordered. To be engrossed.

MR. [RICHARD] SPENCER reports the bill of pensions. Amendments twice read.

Ordered. To be engrossed.

MR. [RICHARD] TOMLYNS. One has a patent of sole printing on one side. Has been often warned to bring it in. To have the Serjeant-at-Arms go for him. Ordered. The like for Withers' patent and all other[s] that have not brought in their patents.

SIR ROBERT HARLEY reports the bill for prostrating weirs on the river of Wey.

The House divided upon the question of recommitting.

Sir Robert Harley, Sir Robert Pye for the Yea.

Sir Dudley Digges, Sir George More for the No.

77 for the No; 82 for the Yea.

The bill recommitted. Sir Edward Coke, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. [John] Glanville, added to the committee. Tuesday, Inner Temple Hall, 2 [o']clock.

L. 3. An act for restraint of assignment of debts to the King. [Blank]

Upon question, passed.

L. 3. An act for avoiding corrupt and simoniacal contracts. [Blank]

Upon question, passed.

Sir Edward Coke sent up to the Lord with these 2 bills and the Lady Darcy's.

All the lawyers of the House added to the committee about the grievances.

MR. [JOHN] GLANVILLE reports the bill for customers' fees. Amendments twice read.

Ordered. To be engrossed.

[f. 202v] SIR THOMAS HOBY. That there may be some opinion of the House given in the business of York.

Staplers' business to be heard and ended the first cause at the [committee for] grievances.

SIR EDWARD COKE reports from the Lords. The Lords told him the bill of concealments in a good forward[ness], and have appointed Wednesday, 2 [o']clock, Painted Chamber, for the bill of monopolies.

The committee to prepare the grievances to consider of the grievances of 7 Jac. and of the last Parliament. This afternoon.

Lady Boteler's business referred to the committee of grievances to be heard with as much expedition as may be.

Mr. Speaker went out of his chair and the House fell into a commission about trade.

A message from the Lords by Mr. Serjeant [Sir Ranulphe] Crewe and Attorney General. Bring 4 bills:

• 1. Hospitals.
• 2. York House.
• 3. [Toby] Palavicino's bill.
• 4. An act to make the lands of Lionel, Earl of Middlesex, subject to the payment of his debts.

That 16 of the Lords will meet a proportionable number of this House upon Wednesday, 8 [o']clock, to receive, upon conference, what this House shall deliver concerning the Bishop of Norwich, in the Painted Chamber.

Answer, by the same messengers: we will be ready as is desired.

appointed for this conference. This committee to meet at Sir Edward Coke's chamber at 3 of the clock to examine and consider of the heads of the charge to be presented against the Lord Bishop of Norwich.

Ordered, that after the conference upon Wednesday, the determination of the question shall be about white cloth.

[CJ 790] A reservation this day of all committees, river of Wey and all public committees this day.

This House adjourns itself until Wednesday, 7 [o']clock.

[House adjourned]

III. DIARY OF JOHN HAWARDE, WILTSHIRE AND SWINDON ARCHIVES, 9/34/2

[p. 292]

Saturni, 15 Maii 1624

Bill pur fesant le river de Wye navigable, recommitte. Reporte par SIR ROBERT HARLEY.

Sur question twyse put, le Huise divide pur le recommittmente. Le I goe out et resolve sera recommitte.

3. L., p[asse]. Bill pur restrainer assignmente de detts al Roy, etc.

Sur question, passe pur leye.

3. L,. p[asse]. Bill pur avoidant corrupte et simonaicall contracts, etc.

Move davoir cest probacioner sed negatur quia malum in se et ne unquer oye in cest Huise que fraud ou simonie fuit fait probacioner. Ergo, sur question, passe pur leye.

Ceux bills ove le Lady Darcy's bills sente up to the Lords.

SIR JOHN SAVILE mooved to joyne with the Lords for a longer daye, but it was not ordered by peticion to his Majestie.

A message from the Lords by Sergeant [Sir Ranulphe] Crewe and the Atturnie [General] for a conference upon Wednsedaye [sic] nexte for the bill of monopolies [sic] by 8 a clocke.

So this Howse, reservinge all generall committees, but no pryvate committee but this afternoone, did adjourne itselfe to Wednsedaye nexte.

IV. DIARY OF SIR THOMAS JERVOISE, HAMPSHIRE RECORD OFFICE, 44M69/F4/20/1

[p. 146]

[15 May 1624]

[The sentence against the Earl of Middlesex was passed on 13 May] …and presently followed a bill which pass[ed] the Upper House to make his lands liable to pay all his debts, and not by installing his fine to deceive all his creditors.

V. DIARY OF EDWARD NICHOLAS, TNA, SP 14/166

[f. 205v]

Samedi, 15⁰ Maii 1624

An act for restraint of assignment of debts to the King and for reformation of abuses in levying of debts in the name and by the prerogative of the King. 3. L. This bill is now passed this House. Dormit Lords.

An act for avoiding of corrupt and simoniacal contracts for churches and benefices, and for preventing of undue elections in colleges and halls. 3. L.

By this the patron shall take an oath as well as the person that is to be admitted. This bill is now passed this House. Dormit Lords.

SIR EDWARD COKE said that every church has 4 doors and these are according to the poet, nobilis, simonia, sanguinis, atque dei, for many incumbents come into the church by noblemen's letters, more by simony for money, very many also that are of kindred, how insufficient [illegible], and but very few come in at God's gate and aright.

Ordered, that the grievances of 7⁰ et 12⁰ Regis and those that were prepared the last Parliament shall be brought to the committee of grievances to be considered of and to be inserted into the petition of grievances.

MR. CHANCELLOR DUCHY said that there are fundamental orders of this House which are sacred and may not be touched on, but temporary and transitory orders may be spoken against but it is with the hazard of his discretion that shall do so, for if it be causelessly spoken against he will be held an indiscreet man for interposing against such orders.

Mr. Speaker left the chair and Sir Edwin Sandys sat therein at a committee of trade.

[f. 206] Mr. Comptroller would have twelve select members of this House might join with the commissioners of trade to consider how there may be a government in trade, which now by our order is set at more liberty. He would have it added also that if the Merchants [sic] Adventurers do not buy up all the cloths at Blackwell Hall within one month, then after such time all men shall buy the same and transport it to any parts beyond sea.

Sir D[udley] Digges would have corn to be thought on against another sessions [sic] to be made a merchandise to be transported as well as cloth or other commodities of this kingdom, for France and other kingdoms do make corn a merchandise, and this would increase ploughing and husbandry and take away the complaints of trading in our other merchandises. He thinks the Merchants [sic] Adventurers are, by what we have already done, dissolved already in a manner, and he would have trade opened and left at liberty for all men to transport white and other cloths, though he believe it will overthrow all trade.

Sir John Savile would have us consider whether the setting of trade at liberty here will mend the vent of cloth beyond sea, which if [illegible] it will not we then are on a wrong ground to take away the trade of cloth from the Merchants [sic] Adventurers, who have it in a government and do sell it by a proportion that may cloth continue in the venting and sell beyond seas. It may be there may be a government of trade though it be set at liberty. Wools are now increased above a third part, and the price [f. 206v] of wool and cloth is increased near a third part also, but the vent beyond sea is not increased, and therefore we labour in vain to help trade by laying upon of trade, when as the cause of decay of the vent of cloth is not in the merchandising and trading thereof but by means of the increase of wool and the price of cloth.

Sir Edwin Sandys reports that Sir William Cockayne said at the committee that all the towns in Germany would gladly give privileges as large as the merchants now have to any other merchants that shall bring cloth to them. That when he dealt in dyed and dressed cloths, he vented those dyed and dressed cloths to all towns in Germany, but held white cloths only to the mart towns, and found that the cloths that were carried to other towns vented better than the cloths that were kept in the mart towns. That now cloths are likely to be well vented because clothing was never so little as now in Germany. That he would have government kept in trade, but thus: that merchants should agree and keep themselves to certain markets, and have the meetings of merchants certain for to have the better intelligence for the sale of the cloths of this kingdom. That clothing came to us first out of Germany, and that which has made our cloths vent better than theirs [is] because we have used to undersell them £6 in a £100.

Ordered, that Wednesday morning we shall have a full report concerning trade and that/

[f. 207] Message from the Lords signifying that the Lords do appoint 16 of their House to meet with a proportionable committee of our House, to receive in the Painted Chamber Wednesday next in the morning at 8 [o']clock what this House shall declare concerning the Bishop of Norwich.

Our answer that a proportionable committee of this House shall meet at the time and place propounded touching the conference mentioned.

Ordered, that Tuesday in the afternoon at the Inner Temple, a committee shall meet to consider of the heads for the petition of grievances.

Reserving all public committees and that concerning the weirs and river in Herefordshire, this House does adjourn itself until Wednesday, seven o'clock in the morning.

VI. DIARY OF SIR THOMAS HOLLAND, RAWL. D. 1100, BODLEIAN LIBRARY

[f. 88]

15 Maii, Saturday

Engrossing. An act against taking pensions of foreign princes.

Engrossing. [Sir James] Ward's bill.

Recommitted. An act for pulling down of weirs on the river of Wye in Hereford.

Passed. An act for restraint of debts to be levied in the King's name by private persons.

Passed. An act for avoiding simoniacal contracts for churches and benefices, and preventing undue elections in colleges and halls.

An act to avoid exactions and fees of customers and surveyors and collectors.

75 [sic] bills sent up.

Motion for York that some of the committee may go to my Lord of Arundel [blank] and that a commission may issue out into those shires where the heralds have abused that inquiry may be made this vacation.

[f. 88v] [SIR WILLIAM] BULSTRODE. He holds it an indignity to this House to send to any Lord. Therefore he moves to retain the heralds' business here.

Committee for trade

[Blank]

VII. DIARY OF RICHARD DYOTT, STAFFORDSHIRE RECORD OFFICE, MS D661/11/1/2

[f. 139v]

May 15

Bill against assignment of debts to King. Passed.

Bill for preventing simoniacal contracts for benefices and places in colleges. Passed.

[f. 140] Objection:

• [1.] That patron beyond sea is not provided for.
• 2. That corporations cannot take oath.
• 3. There is too much [illegible] whereby patron [may] be prejudiced.
• [4.] Aurum schosanum; waste itself and another too.

Being within the realm, of 17 y[ears] of age and compos mentis is put in. But it was in the bill before that governor of corporations shall take his oath.

VIII. DIARY OF SIR WALTER EARLE, BL, ADD. MS 18,597

[f. 184v]

Saturday, the 15th of May

Bill concerning pensioners to foreign princes, reported, passed to engrossing.

Bill for restraint of assignment of debts to the King, etc.

[f. 185] A message from the Lords:

Bill for confirmation and continuance of hospitals and free schools.

Bill for assuring York House to the King, and of other lands to the bishop and his successors.

Bill to make the lands of Lionel, Earl of Middlesex, liable to the payment of his debts.

The Lords signify that they will be ready to afford a meeting of 16 of their House with a proportionable number of this House at 8 of the clock in the morning on Wednesday in the Painted Chamber for a conference to receive information touching the Bishop of Norwich.

The House adjourned itself until Wednesday.

IX. JOURNAL OF SIR SIMONDS D'EWES, BL, HARL. MS 159

[f. 116v]

May 15⁰, Saturday

An act for the restraining of debts assigned to the King and levying of them under his name. Passed.

An act for avoiding simoniacal contracts for church benefices, and preventing undue elections in colleges and halls. Passed.

By this act all patrons are to take their oaths as well as the ministers.

A committee of the whole House in the House for the rectifying of trade

And then the House adjourned itself, this being Whitsun evening, until Wednesday in Whitsun week.