House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 8 November 1647

DIE Lunæ, 8 Novembris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Sedgwick.

Comes Manchest'r, Speaker.

Message from the H. C. for a Conference on the Propositions.

A Message brought from H. C. by Sir Rob't Pye:

To desire a Conference, concerning the Matter of the Propositions which are to be sent to the King, in the Painted Chamber.

Answer was given:

Answer.

That the Lords did agree to a present Conference.

Letter from Ld. Inchiquin about General Stirling and Marshall.

A Letter from the Lord Inchequin, to my Lord of Manchester, concerning Colonel Sterling, read.

And it was Ordered, To send the said Letter down to the House of Commons, with the Sense of this House, "To have the said Colonel Sterling and Lieutenant Colonel Marshall be sent for up, and to be disposed of as both Houses shall think fit."

Baker to be released.

Ordered, That Haunce Baker be released of his Restraint, upon Bail; and the Cause to be heard on Wednesday Sevennight next.

Ordinance to establish a Corporation for Employment of the Poor.

An Ordinance was brought, and read, for setting the Poor on Work; and committed to Consideration of these Lords following:

Any Three; to meet on Wednesday Morning, at Nine a Clock, in the Lord Keeper's Lodgings; and when after they please.

Leversage's Ordinance.

The Ordinance for taking off the Sequestration of John Leversage, was read, and Agreed to.

(Here enter it.)

Lawton's D°.

The Ordinance for taking off the Delinquency of John Lawton, was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Report of the Conference about the Propositions.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure; and the Lords went to the Conference with the House of Commons, in the Painted Chamber.

The Conference being ended, the House was resumed.

And the Speaker reported the Effect of this Conference; which was, "To give their Lordships Account, concerning the Propositions; that they desire some Alterations may be added to some of them; and they offer to their Lordships Consideration some new Propositions, which they desire may (fn. 1) be sent to the King: And they also have made a Preamble to the Propositions, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence."

The Paper of Alterations and Additions, was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

The Paper of the Names of the Ordinances, to be written out and annexed to the Proposition concerning Religion, was read: (Here enter it.) And Agreed to, with the Addition of these Branches; videlicet,

"1. The Bill for suppressing of Innovations in Churches and Chapels, &c.

"2. The Bill for better Advancement of preaching God's Word.

"3. The Bill against Pluralities."

The Paper of additional Propositions, read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

The Preamble to the Propositions, was read, and Agreed to, with an Addition.

Message to the H. C. about them; that they may be communicated to the Scots, Commissioners; and with Ld. Inchiquin's Letter, about General Sterling and Marshall.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Heath and Mr. Hakewill:

To let them know,

1. That the Lords agree to the Paper of the Names of the Ordinances to be written out and annexed to the Propositions concerning Religion.

2. They agree to the Paper of the Alteration to several Propositions.

3. They agree to the Paper of additional Propositions; and to desire Concurrence, that the Proposition for suppressing of Innovations in Churches and Chapels, and the Propositions for better Advancement of the preaching the Word of God, and the Proposition against Pluralities, may be likewise sent to be passed by the King, for His Consent.

4. To let them know, that the Lords do agree to the Preamble to the Propositions, with the small Alteration; and desire their Concurrence therein.

5. To desire their Concurrence, that the Propositions may be communicated to the Scotts Commissioners, by the Members of both Houses that are of the Committees of both Kingdoms.

6. To communicate unto them the Letter of the Lord Inchequin; with this Sense, "That the Lords think it fit that Major General Sterling and Lieutenant Colonel Marshall be sent for, to be disposed of as both Houses shall think fit."

Additional Propositions for suppressing Papists, &c.

"Resolved, &c. That the Propositions following be now sent to the King; (videlicet,)

"That, for the more effectual disabling of Jesuits, Papists, and Popish Recusants, from disturbing the State, and deluding the Laws, and for the better dis covering and speedy Conviction of Popish Recusants, an Oath be established by Act of Parliament, to be administered to them, wherein they shall abjure and renounce the Pope's Supremacy, the Doctrine of Transubstantiation, Purgatory, Worshiping of the Consecrated Host, Crucifixes, and Images, and all other Popish Superstitions and Errors; and refusing the said Oath, being tendered in such Manner as shall be appointed by the said Act, to be a sufficient Conviction of Popish Recusancy.

"An Act or Acts of Parliament for Education of the Children of Papists by Protestants, in the Protestant Religion.

"An Act or Acts for the true Levy of the Penalties against them, which Penalties to be levied and disposed in such Manner as both Houses shall agree on.

"That an Act or Acts be passed in Parliament, whereby the Practices of Papists against the State may be prevented, and the Laws against them duly executed, and a stricter Course taken to prevent the Saying or Hearing of Mass in the Court, or any other Part of this Kingdom, or the Kingdom of Ireland.

"The like for the Kingdom of Ireland, concerning the Four last preceding Propositions.

"That the King do give His Royal Assent to an Act or Acts for the due Observation of the Lord'sday."

Ordinances to be annexed to the Proposition concerning Religion.

"A Note of those Ordinances concerning Religion, which are to be written out, and sent annexed to the Proposition concerning Religion.

1. An Ordinance for the Ordination of Ministers, "8 Novembris, 1647.

"2. A Directory for Public Worship of God, throughout the Three Kingdoms of England, Scotland, and Ireland.

"3. And for taking away the Book of Common Prayer.

"4. An Ordinance for the more effectual putting in Execution the Directory.

"5. Ordinance against Preaching by Persons not ordained.

"6. Directions for electing Ruling Elders.

"7. An Ordinance concerning Suspension from the Sacrament.

"8. An Ordinance for giving Power to all the Classical Presbyteries.

"9. An Ordinance for the present settling, without Delay, the Presbyterian Government in the Church of England.

"10. Remedies for removing some Obstructions in Church Government.

"11. For choosing Elders, 20 Febr. 1645.

"An Ordinance of the Lords and Commons, for keeping scandalous Persons from the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper, 14th March, 1645.

Report from the Committee for reducing the Propositions into Form.

"Proposition concerning the Militia; these Words to be prefixed to that Proposition; (videlicet,)

["1. That an Act or Acts of Parliament be passed."]

"2. Proposition for the Great Seal; prefix, ["That an Act or Acts of Parliament be passed."]

"3. Proposition for raising Monies; prefix, ["That an Act or Acts of Parliament be passed."]

"4. Proposition for restoring Well affected to their Places, to stand as in the Proposition; and so all the rest, only to make it ["Act or Acts"] in every Proposition where it now stands only ["Act."]

"5. Proposition for the Cessation of Ireland.

"6. Proposition for nulling Oaths and Declarations.

"7. Titles of Honour.

"8. Court of Wards.

"9. Treaties.

"10. Arrears for the Army; in the 14 Line, put out ["16th, and lately sent to the King;"] and add these Words, ["concerning Delinquents."]

"11. For abolishing Bishops.

"12. For Sale of Bishops Lands.

"13. For the Disposal of the Deans and Chapters Lands.

"14. For Delinquents: Prefix to this Proposition,

["That the Persons expressed and contained in the Three First Qualifications following be proceeded with, and their Estates disposed, as both Houses of Parliament shall think fit or appoint; and that their Persons shall not be capable of Pardon by His Majesty, without Consent of both Houses of Parliament; the Houses hereby declaring, That they will not proceed as to the taking away of Life of any in the First Qualification, to above the Number of Seven Persons:

"1 Qualification. Rupert and Maurice Count Palatines of the Rhine, James Earl of Darby, and the rest of the English in this Qualification named.

"2 Qualification. All Papists and Popish Recusants, who have been, now are, or shall be, actually in Arms, or voluntarily assisting, against the Parliament and Kingdom; and by Name, the Marquis of Winton, and all the English named in this Qualification formerly.

"3 Qualification. All Persons who have had any Hand in the plotting, designing, or assisting, the Rebellion of Ireland; except such Persons who, having assisted only the Rebellion, have rendered themselves, or come in to the Parliament.]

"The rest of this Proposition to remain as formerly, leaving out the Eighth Qualification: The Reason thereof we reported to the House; and assented unto accordingly.

Ordinance to clear Leversage of his Delinquency.

"Whereas William Leversage Senior, of Wheelock, in the County of Chester, Esquire, hath by both Houses of Parliament been admitted to his Fine of Two Hundred and Sixty Pounds, he having adhered to the Forces raised against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint His Majesty's Solicitor General to prepare a Pardon to the said William Leversage, for his said Offence, in such Form as is agreed by both Houses for like Offenders, together with a Grant of, and Restitution to him, his Heirs and Assigns, of all his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to a Particular thereof made, and entered with the Committee at Gouldsmiths Hall, and of all Mean Profits thereof, from the 14th Day of August, 1646, with an Exception of the Right or Estate of the said William Leversage in or to all Advowsons, Presentations, and Right of Patronage, to any Church or Chapel; which said Pardon, so prepared, the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England for the Time being are hereby likewise authorized to pass under the said Great Seal accordingly: Provided always, That this Ordinance, or the said Pardon thereon to be passed, shall not extend to free the said William Leversage from a further Composition, for any other Lands, Goods, or Chattels, than what are contained in the Particular aforesaid; and that, in case the said Lands mentioned in the said Particular were of greater Yearly Value than are therein expressed during Three Years before the Year of our Lord 1640, then the said William Leversage shall pay such further Fine, by Way of Composition, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint."

Lawton, D°,.

"Whereas John Lawton, of Lawton, in the County of Chester, Esquire, hath by both Houses of Parliament been admitted to his Fine of Six Hundred and Eighty Pounds, he having adhered to the Forces raised against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint His Majesty's Solicitor General to prepare a Pardon to the said John Lawton, for his said Offence, in such Form as is agreed by both Houses for like Offenders, together with a Grant of, and Restitution to him, his Heirs and Assigns, of all his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to a Particular thereof made, and entered with the Committee at Gouldsmiths Hall, and of all Mean Profits thereof, from the 14th Day of August, 1646, with an Exception of the Right or Estate of the said John Lawton in or to all Advowsons, Presentations, and Right of Patronage, to any Church or Chapel; which said Pardon, so prepared, the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England for the Time being are hereby likewise authorized to pass under the said Great Seal accordingly: Provided always, That this Ordinance, or the said Pardon thereon to be passed, shall not extend to free the said John Lawton from a further Composition, for any other Lands, Goods, or Chattels, than what are contained in the Particular aforesaid; and that, in case the said Lands mentioned in the said Particular were of greater Yearly Value than are therein expressed during Three Years before the Year of our Lord 1640, then the said John Lawton shall pay such further Fine, by Way of Composition, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10^a cras.