House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 3 September 1647

DIE Veneris, 3 die Septembris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Ash.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Ordinance for Delinquents to pay their Compositions.

An Ordinance concerning Delinquents to be forced to pay in the Remainder of the Monies for their Compositions; which was read.

Answer from the H. C.

Mr. Page and Mr. Sadler return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they agree in all the Particulars sent down.

Order to defer the Assizes of Chester, &c.

An Order was read, for putting off the Assizes of Chester, Denbigh, Flintshire, and Mountgomery, for this Time, in regard of the Infection of the Plague; and passed, and Ordered to be sent to the House of Commons for their Concurrence.

Joyce's Petition for Arrears.

Upon reading the Petition of Cornet George Joice, desiring his Arrears:

It is Ordered, To be recommended to the House of Commons.

E. of Pembroke resigns the Government of the Isle of Wight to Colonel Hammond.

The Earl of Pembrooke signified to this House, "That whereas the Houses were pleased to make him Governor of the Isle of Wight, which he performed with Faithfulness, to the uttermost of his Power; but seeing since Sir Thomas Fairfax hath, by Authority of Parliament, Command of all the Garrisons, his Lordship did humbly desire that Colonel Rob't Hamond may be, by Ordinance of Parliament, made Governor of the Isle of Wight; he being a Person looked upon by the General as a fit Person for that Trust, and hath a Commission from him."

Upon this Desire of the Earl of Pembrooke, the House Ordered, That an Ordinance be brought for that Purpose: And the Lord Wharton and the Lord Howard were appointed to prepare an Ordinance for that Purpose.

Message from the H. C. to sit on Monday.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Pye Knight, &c.

To let their Lordships know, that they intend to sit on Monday next; and desire their Lordships would please to do the same, if it may stand with their Lordships Conveniency.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships intend to sit on Monday.

Ward to have the Dues of Walkerne, from Gorsuch.

Ordered, That the Sheriff of the County of Essex shall seize on the Remainder of the Corn of Mr. Ward Minister, before it be threshed out, which is kept away from him by the Servant of Doctor Gorsuch, contrary to an Order of this House; and the Sheriff do deliver the said Corn to Mr. Warde, or who he shall appoint.

Hammond's Ordinance to be Governor of the Isle of Wight.

An Ordinance for approving of Colonel Robert Hamond to be Captain and Governor of the Isle of Wight, was brought in by the Lord Wharton; and read, and Agreed to, and Ordered to be sent.

Message to the H. C. about the following Particulars.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Page and Mr. Sadler:

1. To desire their Concurrence in the Order for putting off the Assizes of Chester.

2. To desire Concurrence in the Order concerning the Marquis of Winton.

3. To desire Concurrence in the Letter to the Chancellor of Scotland.

4. To deliver to them the Report concerning Prisoners at Plymouth and Portsmouth.

5. The Report for the Winter Guard; to which the Lords do approve, and desire their Concurrence.

6. The Ordinance for Colonel Rob't Hamond to be Governor of the Isle of Wight, and desire their Concurrence therein.

7. To put them in Mind of Mr. Robinson's Releasement.

8. To recommend to them Cornet George Joice's Petition, for his Arrears.

Complaint against Hall, Minister of Thaxsted.

Ordered, That the Complaint against Mr. Hall and others, of Thaxted, shall be heard, by Witnesses on both Sides, on Wednesday Morning next.

Letter from the Scots Commissioners.

A Letter from the Scotch Commissioners, was read, with a Paper inclosed. (Here enter it.)

Committees to meet with them.

Ordered, To be communicated to the House of Commons, with this Sense, "That the Lords think fit that the Members of both Houses, that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, do meet this Afternoon; and that they do endeavour to clear those Things which the Scotts Commissioners express themselves, by their Paper of the 3d of September, 1647, to be unsatisfied in; and further to acquaint the Scotts Commissioners, that the Houses do adhere for sending the Propositions to the King on Tuesday next."

Colonel Killegrew to export Horses.

Ordered, That Colonel Killegrew shall have Leave to transport Two Horses into Holland.

Exportation of Horses to be stopped.

Ordered, That no Leave shall be granted by this House, for transporting Horses, for Six Weeks; and an Ordinance to be brought in, for to inhibit the Transporting of Horses for Twelve Months.

Letter from the Scots Commissioners, with the following

"Right Honnorable,

"The Answere of the Honnorable Houses to our Papers of the First and 2d of September was sent to us late Yesternight, from Derby House; and are sorry that wee were not at Worcester House when your Lordship's Messenger first came; but have retourned with all Diligence the inclosed Answere; desireing your Lordship to communicate the same to both Houses, from

Worcester House, the 3d of September, 1647.

"Your Lordship's
Humble Servaunts,
Charles Erskine.
Hew Kennedy.
Ro. Barclay.

"For the Right Honnorable the Speaker of the House of Peeres pro Tempore."

Paper concerning the Affront offered to the E. of Lauderdail, at Woburn;— desiring Security for them and their Messengers;—and concerning some Alterations made in the Propositions.

"Though it cannott in Reason be denyed but Violence done to publict Ministers gives too just Ground of the retarding of such publict Proceedings as are necessarily to be acted by them; yet it is not our Mynd, nor cann it be duly collected from the Papers given in to your Lordship by us, that the violent Deportment of some Souldiers to the Person of the Earle of Lauderdaill is represented by us to hinder the sending of the Propositions to His Majesty, for the speedy setlinge of the Peace of the Kingdomes: But wee cannott but conceive that wee have just Reason to demaund Security to our Persons from that Army which committed such Violence against the Person of that Nobleman, who, if he were present, would be able to cleare more of their uncivill Carriage then wee can, being done contrary to the earnest Intreatyes of some of your owne Commissioners, and (as wee are informed) in Presence of some Colonells of that Army, who knowe your Souldiers better then we doe: And in regard the Committee of Estates of the Kingdome of Scotland, notwithstanding of our receiveing and transmitting of that Letter from Sir Thomas Fairefax which your Lordship mention, have thought fitt to desire from the Honnorable Houses a safe Conduct, under the Hands of both Speakers, the Generall Sir Tho. Fairefax and his Councell of Warre, for Indempnity to their Commissioners, Retinew, and Servants, together with Free Passe and Re-passe for their Messingers and Letters, to and from the Kingdome of Scotland; for the graunting whereof wee have just Reason to insist, since a Messinger of Purpose at their Commaund doth yet here (fn. 1) attend your Lordships Answere; nor doe wee knowe, or remember, any publique Offence given of that Nature, especially to a Commissioner of this Kingdome. And to the Sending of the Propositions of Peace to His Majesty, as it is our earnest Desire, soe wee hould ourselves bound, and doe most willingly agree, to the presenting of them; yet cannott but conceive ourselves exceedingly streightned to adhere to the Circumstance of soe short a Day peremptorily appointed by your Lordships without our Knowledge or Consent, notwithstanding wee have attended here these 8 Moneths past, the Propositions as yet not haveing beene 6 Dayes in our Hands; upon Perusall whereof, we finde an Addition of a Provisoe above Twenty Lynes, which wee apprehend doth import some materiall Alteration, tending to (if not the destroying, yet) the weakening of some preceding Propositions that are most considerable; which wee desire to be cleered, for the more full sattisfying of our Judgments, and the Exoneration of ourselves in concurringe with your Lordships to present them to His Majesty. Wee are alsoe comaunded, by the Parliament of Scotland, to lett the Honnorable Houses know, that they have deleted out of the Propositions of Peace the Names of some Delinquents, which wee shall deliver in to your Lordships before the presenting of them to His Majesty; as alsoe are warranted by them to concurre to the expunging of such of yours as the Honnorable Houses in their Wisdome shall thinke fitt; nor shall any be more willing and ready to doe every Thing that may conduce to the speedy setling of an happy Peace to both Kingdomes, according to the Trust reposed in us.

3d of Sept. 1647.

"By Commaund of the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland.

"John Donn."

Marquis of Winton, Leave to go to Epsom.

(fn. 2) Passed the House of Commons the 7th of September, 1647.

"It is Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Marquis of Winchester, a Prisoner in The Tower of London, shall have Liberty to go to Epsam Waters, for the Recovery of his Health; upon good Security given to the Lieutenant of the said Tower of London, to render himself a true Prisoner that Day Five Weeks that he shall go out of The Tower upon the said Security."