House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 16 November 1644

Die Sabbati, 16 die Novembris.

Prayers, by Mr. Marshall.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Answer from the H. C.

Sir Edward Leech and Dr. Heath, sent with a Message Yesterday to the House of Commons, returned this Answer:

That they have taken into Consideration the several Papers, and the Time of the Day; and will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message to them, for an Answer about the E. of Denbigh's Business.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech and Dr. Heath:

To desire some Answer concerning the Message touching the Earl of Denbigh and his Association, in regard of the pressing Necessity of that Business.

Message from the H. C. to expedite the Committees

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Stroude, consisting of these Particulars; wherein their Lordships Concurrence is desired:

Names for Derby;

1. To desire their Lordships Expedition in the passing the additional Names for the Committee of Derby, formerly brought up.

Agreed to.

with Ordinances, &c.

2. An Order for paying Two Hundred and Forty Pounds to Colonel Ven, for the Garrison of Windsor.

(Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

3. An Ordinance to make Mr. John Lyle Master of St. Crosses, near Winton.

Read Once.

4. An Ordinance St. Bartholmcwes, and St. Tho. Hospitalls, &c. that their Lands shall be free from Assessments.

Read Twice.

and for the Officers of both Houses to be examines, what Delinquents Goods they have in their Hands.

5. To desire that the Committee of Lords and Commons at Habberdashers Hall may examine Mr. Thayne, Gentleman Usher of the House of Peers, what Goods of Delinquents he hath in his Custody; and likewise to examine what Goods of Delinquents are in the Custody of the Clerks of either House of Parliament, if any Information shall be given to that Purpose.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the adding those Persons to be Committees for Derby; and to the Order for paying Two Hundred and Forty Pounds to Colonel Ven, for Windsor: To the rest, their Lordships will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Information of Delinquents Goods being in the Custody of the Gentleman Usher.

The Lord Howard signified to this House, from the Committee of Lords and Commons at Haberdashers Hall, "That they have received an Information, that there are some Goods of Malignants in the Custody of the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod; and in regard he is an Attendant on this House, they forbore to examine him before they had acquainted their Lordships with it."

Answer from the H. C.

The Messengers sent to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

That they have appointed Wednesday next, for to take into Consideration the Earl of Denbighe's Business, and have directed their Speaker to put them in Mind of it.

Message from thence, with an Ordinance for the Attainder of the Archbishop of Cant.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Samuell Browne Esquire, to this Purpose:

"That whereas the House of Commons impeached Wm. Laude, Archbishop of Canterbury, of High Treason, and brought up divers Articles to prove the same; their Lordships have heard the Evidence, and the House of Commons have had the same repeated to them, and are satisfied of the Truth of the Charge; therefore they have passed an Ordinance for his Attainder as a Traitor; and they desire (fn. 1) their Lordships Concurrence therein."

The said Ordinance was presently read Once.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House hath given One Reading to the Ordinance now brought up, and will take it into serious Consideration; and will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordered, That this House will take into Consideration this Ordinance on Friday next; and that the Lords shall have Notice to attend the House that Day; and the House then to be called.

Next, the Ordinance concerning the Hospitals was read the Third Time, and Agreed to.

(Here enter it.)

Order for 240 l. to Col. Venn, for the Garrison of Windsor.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Committee of Lords and Commons at Habberdashers Hall do pay unto Colonel John Venn, towards Payment of the Garrison at Windsor Castle, the Sum of Two Hundred and Forty Pounds, received by them in Part of a greater Sum assessed on Mr. William Sherman for his Twentieth Part, being discovered by the said Colonel; as also such other Sum of Money as the said Committee shall adjudge the said Mr. Sherman to pay his full Twentieth Part, taking a Receipt of the said Colonel, which shall be their full Discharge for so much as shall be paid unto him."

Ordinance to free the Lands of St. Thomas and St. Bartholomew's Hospitals from Assessments.

"Whereas the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament have been given to understand, from the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens of London, Governors of the Possessions, Revenues, and Goods, of the Hospitals of St. Bartholomew, Bridwell, St. Thomas, and Bethlem, that (fn. 2) the Rents and Revenues belonging to the said Hospitals respectively are not sufficient to keep and maintain the poor People properly, appointed to be kept in the said Hospitals, in ordinary Times, without the Help and Supply of Legacies and Gifts of charitable Persons, which, since these present Troubles, are much decreased, and very small; and that the Rents of divers of the said Lands in remote Counties, where the Armies are, or have been, (fn. 3) are lost; and divers Tenants of other of the said Lands in and near London alledge, that they are so far impoverished that they are not able to pay their Rents in these dead and troublesome Times, neither do pay any Rent at all to the said Hospitals; and that the Rents of divers Houses belonging to the said Hospitals, being out of Lease, and standing empty, are wholly lost; and that many Tenants of the Lands belonging to the said Hospitals with-hold and deduct several Sums of Money out of their Rents, for several Taxes and Rates upon divers Ordinances of Parliament, whereby the said Hospitals are become much indebted, and want Monies to buy necessary Provisions for the Poor therein; and that nevertheless great Numbers of sick, wounded, and other Soldiers, have, for the Time of above Twenty Months past, been constantly kept in the said Hospitals, at very great and extraordinary Charges, especially for their Cure and Diet:

"The said Lords and Commons, taking the Premises into their Consideration, think fit and Ordain, and be it Ordained, That all the Rents and Revenues belonging to the said Hospitals respectively (being to be received and disbursed for the immediate Use and Relief of the Poor in the same Hospitals) shall be free and discharged, of and from all Assessments, Taxes, and Charges whatsoever, as well already made or charged, and not paid, as hereafter to be made or charged by virtue of any Ordinance of Parliament.

"And it is hereby further Ordained, That it shall not be lawful for any of the said Tenants to withhold and deduct out of their Rents any Sum of Money, which is or shall be rated, by virtue of any Ordinance of Parliament, upon his and their Houses and Lands, belonging to the said Hospitals respectively, which, in respect of the Rents of every such House and Lands, the Landlords ought to pay; and every such Tenant is hereby required to make Payment of his full Rent that is or shall hereafter be due unto the said several Hospitals, any Ordinance to the contrary notwithstanding; and all Assessors, Collectors, and others whom this may concern, are hereby required to take Notice of this Ordinance.

"Provided, That the Tenants who enjoy Goods, and considerable Bargains in their Leases, from the said Hospitals respectively, do claim and enjoy no Freedom, Exemption, or Advantage, by this Ordinance."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 9^a cras.