House of Lords Journal Volume 62: 1 July 1830

Die Jovis, 1 Julii 1830.

DOMINI tam Spirituales quam Temporales præsentes fuerunt:

E. of Shaftesbury chosen Speaker pro tempore.

The Lord Chancellor not being present, and The Lord Tenterden and The Lord Wynford, appointed Speakers by His late Majesty's Commissions, being absent, the Lords unanimously chose The Earl of Shaftesbury to be Speaker pro tempore:

And his Lordship took his Seat upon the Woolsack accordingly.

PRAYERS.

Lords take the Oaths.

The Lords following took the Oaths, and also took and subscribed the Oath of Abjuration, pursuant to the Statutes.

Alexander Duke of Brandon.

Charles Ingoldesby Marquess of Winchester.

George Earl of Chesterfield.

Edward Earl of Falmouth.

Thomas Lord Bishop of Salisbury.

William Draper Lord Wynford.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure.

The House was resumed by The Lord Chancellor.

Galway Town Regulation Bill, Petition in favor of.

Upon reading the Petition of the Protestants of Galway, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; taking notice of a Bill depending in this House, intituled, "An Act to repeal so much of an Act passed in Ireland in the Fourth Year of the Reign of King George the First, for the better regulating the Town of Galway, and for strengthening the Protestant Interest therein, as limits the Franchise created by the said Act to Protestants only;" and praying, "That their Lordships will pass the said Bill, with a due Regard to the Interests and Feelings of the resident Protestants of Galway, and of the Inhabitants thereof at large, as is expressed in this Petition:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Birmingham Grammar School Bill, Petition against:

Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of the Town of Birmingham, in the County of Warwick, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; taking notice of a Bill depending in this House, intituled, "An Act to enable The Governors of the Possessions, Revenues and Goods of the Free Grammar School of King Edward the Sixth in Birmingham, in the County of Warwick, to pull down the present Masters Houses and Schoolhouse in New Street, in the Town of Birmingham, and to make and erect more suitable Accommodations on a new Site in the Vicinity of the Town, and to procure such new Site; and to extend the Objects of the Charity, by erecting and making on the old Site in New Street Accommodations suitable for a new School for teaching modern Languages, the Arts and Sciences; and to make certain Additions to the Estates of the said Charity by Purchase; and to raise Money for the Purposes aforesaid, by applying certain Funds now belonging to the said Charity, and by Sale of Part of the Estates belonging thereto, and by Mortgage; and for other Purposes;" and praying their Lordships, That the said Bill may not be read a Third Time, or passed into a Law, but may be postponed 'till next Session:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

It was moved, "That the last-mentioned Bill be now read the Third Time."

Which being objected to;

It was moved "to leave out ("now") and insert ("this Day Six Months")

The Question was put, "Whether the Word ("now") shall stand Part of the Motion?"

It was resolved in the Negative.

Bill to be read 3d Time on this Day 6 Months.

Ordered, That the said Bill be read the Third Time on this Day Six Months.

Glasgow & Kilmarnock Road Bill.

The Earl of Shaftesbury reported from the Lords Committees, to whom the Bill, intituled, "An Act for amending and continuing an Act for repairing Roads in the County of Renfrew, and for altering the Line of Road between Glasgow and Kilmarnock, in the said County," was committed; "That they had considered the said Bill, and examined the Allegations thereof, which were found to be true; and that the Committee had gone through the Bill, and made some Amendments thereto."

Which Amendments were read by the Clerk as follow; (viz ^t.)

"Pr.1. L.3. Leave out ("present") and insert ("late") and in the same Line after ("Majesty") insert ("King George the Fourth")

"Pr.2. L.3. Leave out ("present") and insert ("late")

"L.19. Leave out ("present") and insert ("late")

"Pr.7. L.6. Leave out ("present") and insert ("late")

"L.27. In Clause A. added to the Bill, Line 9, leave out ("present") and insert ("late")

"L.36. Leave out ("present") and insert ("late")

"Pr. 8. L. 19. Leave out ("present") and insert ("late")

"Pr.9. L.25. Leave out ("present") and insert ("late")

"Pr.10. L.27. Leave out ("present") and insert ("late")

"Pr. 11. L. 17. Leave out ("present") and insert ("late")

And the said Amendments, being read a Second Time, were agreed to by the House.

Capital Punishment (Scotland) Bill.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act to amend an Act of the Ninth Year of His present Majesty, to facilitate Criminal Trials in Scotland; and to abridge the Period now required between the pronouncing of Sentence and Execution thereof, in Cases importing a Capital Punishment," To-morrow.

Taxes, (Ireland,) Petitions from Bandon & Hillsborough against Encrease of.

Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of the Town and Vicinity of Bandon, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying their Lordships "not to encrease the Taxes in Ireland:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of the Parish of Hillsborough, as also of the Inhabitants of that Part of the Parish of Blaris which is connected with Hillsborough, in the County of Down, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying their Lordships "to stand as a firm and immoveable Rampart to avert the Evils which the proposed additional Taxation would entail on their impoverished and unhappy Country and the Petitioners, who will yield to no Class of His Majesty's Subjects throughout the British Empire in Loyalty to their venerable Monarch or Attachment to their glorious Constitution:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Stamp & Spirits Duties, (Ireland,) Petitions from Belfast & Athy against Encrease of.

Upon reading the Petition of the Operative Letter Press Printers of the Town of Belfast, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying, "That their Lordships will refuse their Authority to the proposed Measure of assimilating the Duties on Stamps and Advertisements of Newspapers in Ireland to those of Great Britain being carried into a Law, which to that Part of the United Kingdom will be attended with so many pernicious Consequences, and which will entail Misery and Destitution on Hundreds of poor Families whose present Means of Support are barely sufficient to raise them above actual Pauperism:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of the Union of Athy and County of Kildare, Ireland, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying their Lordships "not to encrease the Duty on Stamps and Homemade Spirits in Ireland:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Bogs Draining (Ireland) Bill, Report from Select Comee on.

The Earl of Hillsborough reported from the Lords Committees appointed a Select Committee to consider of the Bill, intituled, "An Act for the draining and allotting the Bogs of Ireland;" and to report to the House; That the Committee had met, and had made some Progress in the Consideration of the Bill referred to them, and in amending the same; but when they take into their Consideration the gracious Message of His Majesty communicated to the House on Tuesday last, and the Prospect of an early Termination of the Sessions, they are of Opinion, That, after the further Attention which the Details of this Bill, involving many important Interests, would require, there would not be Time to bring the Measure to any effectual Result; and they therefore think that it is not advisable to proceed further with the Bill at present: At the same Time, the Committee are strongly impressed with the great Utility of some general Measure for facilitating the Drainage of the Bogs in Ireland, not only with reference to the Benefit of Persons interested in the Property, but more especially as it would tend to the providing Employment for the Poor: It is unnecessary for the Committee to detain the House upon the subject of the Employment of the Labouring Classes in Ireland; but they feel very strongly the Importance of opening every Channel by which a hardy and welldisposed Population may both be enabled to obtain a comfortable and regular Subsistence for themselves, and at the same Time render great public and private Service to the Community: The immense Tracts of Bog, Mountains and Peat Mosses, as well as Low Lands contiguous to Rivers and Streams which take their Rise in extensive Districts of this Description, claim too serious Attention from the Legislature to be allowed much longer to remain unnoticed; and the chief Object of a Measure such as has been under the careful and anxious Consideration of the Committee is, to remove the Obstacles which at present exist to the clearing off the Water with which the Bogs and Low Grounds are saturated, the Effect of which would be, in a porous and alluvial Substratum, and in a Limestone and Limestone Gravel Country, to reward the Improver of his Estate with Abundance of valuable Fuel, Manure and rich and profitable Pasture: In the Furtherance of these Views, Regard should be had to the various Interests connected with the Property of Individuals, and while sufficient Powers are placed in the Hands of the Commissioners to effect such an Improvement, due Provision should be made for securing Indemnity or Compensation to Persons whose Property or Interests may be affected by the Measure: Upon these Grounds, the Committee entertain an earnest Hope that some Measure in furtherance of this important National Object may be submitted to Parliament in a future Session."

Which Report, being read by the Clerk, was agreed to by the House.

Criminal Laws, Petitions from Bristol & Swansea for Alteration of.

Upon reading the Petition of the Bankers, Merchants and other Inhabitants of the City of Bristol and its Vicinity, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying, That their Lordships will be pleased to commute the Punishment of Death in all Cases of Forgery, and to substitute such other Laws as would by their invariable Operation cease to contribute to the Commission of the Crime by encouraging the Hope of Impunity, and which, mitigated by the Suggestions of enlightened Policy, and tempered by the Benevolence of Christian Principles, would no longer do Violence to the Feelings of those who administer as well as of those who sue for Justice; but would be cherished by every good Subject with cordial Attachment, and meet with uniform Support:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of Swansea, in the County of Glamorgan, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying, "That their Lordships will not withhold from them that Protection to their Property which they would derive from a more lenient Law than the Infliction of Death for the Crime of Forgery, and that the Bill for effecting that Object may be passed into a Law:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Church Rates & Vestry Act, (Ireland,) &c. Petition from Dungarvan for Repeal of.

Upon reading the Petition of the Catholic Inhabitants and Parishioners of Dungarvan, in the County of Waterford, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying their Lordships "to relieve them at length from the manifold Inconveniences and Evils therein mentioned, by passing an Act to repeal all the existing Statutes and Vestry Laws from Time to Time enacted compelling the Catholics of this Empire to contribute to the Payment of the Expences of building, rebuilding and repairing any Protestant Places of Worship, and to the Payment of Church Rate, Charges and Taxes of any Description, with the Necessaries for the Celebration of Divine Service; and also to repeal the odious Clauses of the Vestry Act imposing unnecessary and galling Restraints on the Performance of their Burial Rights:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

Anatomy, Petition from the Derbyshire Medical Society respecting.

Upon reading the Petition of the Members of the Derbyshire Medical and Surgical Society, whose Names are thereunto subscribed; praying their Lordships "to take such Measures as will effectually remove the present Obstructions to the Prosecution of Anatomy; and that every Member of the Profession legally entitled to practice shall be enabled, by Legislative Enactments sanctioning the obtaining of Subjects, to investigate the only true Source of Medical Science:"

It is Ordered, That the said Petition do lie on the Table.

The King's Answer to Address.

The Earl of Shaftesbury (in the Absence of the Lords with White Staves) reported, "That they had (according to Order) waited on His Majesty with their Lordships Address of Tuesday last; and that His Majesty was pleased to receive the same very graciously, and to return the following Answer:

"WILLIAM R.

"I receive with Satisfaction this dutiful and affectionate Address. The Testimony which it affords of your Sense of the Loss which you and the Country have sustained by the Death of the late King, and of your Respect and Regard for His Memory, is highly gratifying to Me.

"I return you My Thanks for the Expression of your Confidence in Me; and I assure you that I feel that I shall best deserve your Support by My Efforts, under the Favour of Divine Providence, to maintain the Reformed Religion established by Law, and to protect the Rights and Liberties of all Classes of My Subjects.

"W. R."

Forgeries Bill.

The Order of the Day being read for the House to be put into a Committee upon the Bill, intituled, "An Act for reducing into One Act all such Forgeries as shall henceforth be punished with Death, and for otherwise amending the Laws relative to Forgery;" and for the Lords to be summoned;

The House was accordingly adjourned during Pleasure, and put into a Committee upon the said Bill.

After some Time, the House was resumed:

And The Earl of Shaftesbury reported from the Committee, "That they had gone through the Bill, and made several Amendments thereto, which he was ready to report, when the House will please to receive the same."

Ordered, That the said Bill, as amended, be printed.

Bayley's Divorce Bill.

Hodie 2^a vice lecta est Billa, intituled, "An Act to dissolve the Marriage of James Bayley Esquire with Louisa his Wife, and to enable him to marry again; and for other Purposes."

Ordered, That the said Bill be committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

Ordered, That the House be put into a Committee upon the said Bill To-morrow.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque ad et in diem Veneris, secundum diem instantis Julii, horâ decimâ Auroræ, Dominis sic decernentibus.