House of Lords Journal Volume 4: 10 July 1641

DIE Sabbati, videlicet, 10 die Julii.

PRAYERS.

Sir John Lucas versus Laurence and King.

Ordered, That Thomas Laurance and Stephen Kinge be bailed, to appear in this House at such Day as their Lordships shall appoint to hear the Cause between Sir Jo. Lucas, Knight, and they and others.

Turkish Pirates.

Ordered, That the Committee for Pirates do meet on Tuesday next, in the Afternoon.

Sutton Marsh.

Then the Counsel of the Earl of March was heard, in their Reply to the new Matter urged the last Day concerning Sutton Marsh by the Counsel of the Lord Phillip Herbert, &c. and the Statute of 4 H. IV. C. 23, being urged, the Lords, conceiving it to trench upon the Jurisdiction of this House, commanded the Counsel on both Sides to withdraw.

Then the House, taking the same into Consideration, did Order, That it should be referred to the Committee of Privileges; and to meet on Monday next in the Afternoon, to search and see what is the due and right Privileges of this House in Matter of Judicature, and to report the same to this House.

Ordered, That, after the Committee for Privileges have reported their Opinions concerning the Privileges of this House in Point of Judicature, this House will take into Consideration the whole Business concerning Sutton Marsh.

Payne to be sent for, for abusing the Earl of Thanet.

Upon Information to this House, That one Tho. Paine, an Attorney, hath misbehaved himself towards the Earl of Thanett, a Member of this House; it is Ordered, That the said Paine shall be sent for, to attend this House on Monday Morning next.

Earl of Leicester took the Protestation.

This Day the Earl of Leycester took the Protestation, and subscribed the same.

Farnaby's Latin Grammar.

The Petition of Thomas Farnaby, Esquire, was read, concerning the publishing of a Latin Grammar made by him; and it is Ordered to be referred to the Committee for Petitions.

Court of York.

Ordered, That the Business concerning the Court and Council of Yorke be considered of on Tuesday Morning next.

The Lord Privy Seal reported the Conference delivered by Mr. Hollis, concerning the Manifesto: videlicet,

Report of the Conference concerning the Manifesto abolit the Elector Palatine.

"On Thursday last, at a Conference with the House of Commons:

"Upon the Manifesto here read in this House, in Presence of the King and the House of Commons, called up hither upon Occasion of passing Two Bills, Mr. Hollis, in an elegant Expression, and true Resentment of the Case of a distressed Prince, told us, That from the House of Commons he was to let us know:

"That they had taken into their serious Consideration His Majesty's Proposal to them, of that Manifesto, in which He is pleased to declare His pious Intention concerning His Royal Sister (that noble Lady Elizabeth), the Prince Palatine her Son, and the rest of that Electoral Family.

"They did acknowledge His Majesty's Favour in communicating to them any Part of His Royal Thoughts, asking their Advice and Counsel in a Business that doth so nearly concern Him, as needs it must, touching the Happiness, nay the Subsistance, of these distressed Princes, extracted and their Veins enriched with His own Royal Blood; in which Relation the House of Commons looks upon them with an Eye of Tenderness.

"To hear and see that those Princes, so near to the King, should, instead of Honour and Greatness, suffer that which is so unworthy of them:

"To have their ancient Patrimony torn from them, and by violent Hands detained; this makes their Ears tingle, and their Hearts to rise within them.

"My Lords (said he, and that elegantly), the Heart of the English Subject is so well tuned in an agreeing Harmony to the Person of his Prince, that he is affected with the least Touch upon any Part of the Princely String; if it be good and pleasing, in stantly answers it with a proportional Sound, with Joy and Exultation; if harsh and displeasing, then with Sorrow and Lamentation; But not a Sorrow womanish and faint, but accompanied with a vigorous and magnanimous Resolution to be avenged of any Injury offered to their Sovereign or His Blood.

"This of itself were enough to raise Courage in us, to redress the Prince Elector's Wrong; to stir up Desires with Impatience, to see him re-invested in His Right, were it but for the Love and Duty we owe to our King.

"But, my Lords, there is yet another Motive, which hath a strong irresistible Operation; that is, the Consideration how much it imports the Cause of Religion, the advancing of our Protestant Party, the redeem ing of so many sick Souls from the Antichristian Bondage.

"This hath a double Respect relating to us, not only as we are Fellow Members with them of the true Church, which obligeth us to defend them, but more particularly concerneth us in Point of Policy and Reason of State; by supporting our Allies, to advance ourselves, and make us formidable to the Enemies of our Church and State; for, my Lords, the Protestant Religion and this Kingdom be like Hippocrates' Twins, that must live and die together.

"It is a Madness (said he, and he says truly) to think the State can subsist, if Religion be subverted; and it is as great a Madness to think our Religion can continue here, if we suffer it to be eradicated out of our neighbouring Countries. A Fort cannot hold out, if all the Outworks be taken: The Heart cannot be preserved, when a Gangrene hath seized on the outward Parts of the Body.

"My Lords (said he), truly Religion is the Life of England, by which it flourishes; so, in a politic Respect, England may be said [ (fn. 1) to be] the Heart of the Protestant Religion through all other Parts of Christendom. It is the Fort where Religion is ingarrisoned, and hath done, and upon Occasion must send out Supplies to all our neighbouring Countries professing the same Religion with us.

"On the other Side, if these Countries be invaded and possessed by the Enemies of our Religion (as if they first get one, and then another, their Appetite will increase, to swallow all at last).

"Let us think of it; if they go away with the Palatinate, then get another Part of Germany, afterwards come upon The Low Countries; in what Condition will England then stand in?

"It will be left, as the Prophet faith, as a Cottage in a Vineyard, as a Lodge in a Garden of Cucumbers; as a besieged City (when all the Defences are gone) must yield itself a Prey to the Enemy.

"My Lords (said he), this Consideration works strongly with the Commons of England; and as the wise Man is to have his Eyes in his Head, and look before him, so they do look before them, and had rather see this Evil met Half-way than stay till it comes Home unto them; rather see the eating Gangrene of the Austrian Ambition stopped in Germany, than tarry till it seize upon the vital Spirits of this Island, and so work inevitably the Death of Religion in England.

"The Business took up a serious Debate; and, after much Time and many Arguments spent upon this Subject, the Commons came to this Resolution: videlicet,

"Resolved, upon the Question,

"That this House doth approve of His Majesty's pious Intention, in the Behalf of His Royal Sister the Queen of Bohemia, and His Nephew the Prince Elector Palatine, and the rest of the Princes of that Family, and of the publishing this Manifesto to that Purpose; and that the House will be ready to give His Majesty such Advice and Assistance therein, by Parliament, as shall stand with the Honour of His Majesty and the Interest and Affections of this Kingdom, if the present Treaty shall not succeed.

"This being read, he then told us, he was commanded to present it to your Lordships, and to desire, That your Lordships will join with them in a Tender of the like Advice unto His Majesty, and Approbation of His Royal Intendments; and likewise that His Majesty may be moved, in the Name of both Houses, to recommend the same Business unto His Parliament of Scotland, to have the Consent and Concurrence of that Kingdom, that, as we be Brethren in mutual Affection, Brethren in an equal Tie of Duty and Allegiance unto the King our Sovereign, so we may be Brethren also in the same tender Care and loving Zeal for the Good and Support of His Majesty's Kindred, and their Restitution to their ancient Inheritances."

Then this House, taking the Effect of this Report into Consideration, Ordered, To join with the House of Commons in all their Desires herein; and it was Resolved upon the Question, nemine contradicentc,

Lords agree with the H. C. in their Resolutions concerning the Manifesto.

That this House doth concur in Opinion with the Resolution of the House of Commons.

Committee to acquaint the King with this, and to desire He would recommend it to the Parliament of Scotland.

After this, these Lords following were appointed by this House to attend His Majesty, and acquaint Him with the Resolutions of both Houses herein; and to move His Majesty from both Houses of Parliament, That He will be pleased to recommend the Manifesto unto the Parliament of Scotland, to have the Concurrence of that Kingdom: videlicet,

Lord Privy Seal.
Lord Chamberlain.
Earl of Essex.
Earl of Bristoll.

And to know when His Majesty will be attended by both Houses about it.

These Lords aforesaid were likewise to desire His Majesty to appoint a Time when both Houses may wait upon His Majesty, to present their Advice to His Majesty concerning the Manifesto.

Then

Adjourn.

Dominus Capitalis Justiciarius de Communi Banco, Locum tenens Domini Custodis Magni Sigilli, declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Lunæ, videlicet, 12^m diem instantis Julii, hora nona Aurora, Dominis sic decernentibus.