House of Commons Journal Volume 7: 29 October 1652

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 7, 1651-1660. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 7: 29 October 1652', in Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 7, 1651-1660( London, 1802), British History Online https://prod.british-history.ac.uk/commons-jrnl/vol7/pp202-204 [accessed 25 November 2024].

Friday, the 29th of October, 1652.

Danish Embassy.

ORDERED, That Sir Peter Wentworth, and Sir John Hippesley, do accompany the Lords Ambassadors Extraordinary of the King of Denmark, to their Audience this Day.

Scotch Affairs.

The Lord Commissioner Whitlock reports from the Committee appointed to confer with the Deputies sent from Scotland, An Abstract of the Matter of Fact touch ing the Deputies, who are come up in reference to their Elections and Commissions; viz.



30	SHIRES in Scotland.
1	Stuarties.
28	Shires Assenters at Dalkeith.
19	Of these the Deputies of Eighteen Shires, and one Deputy of the Nineteenth Shire, voted at Edinburgh, at the Election of the One-and-twenty Deputies sent to the Parliament; having all before subscribed to the Union, according to the Declaration of Parliament: To which Union also subscribed the Deputies of Orkney and Zetland, who, by Storm at Sea, came not to Edinburgh till a Day after the Election.
9	That all the said Deputies, so voting, signed the Commission of the Deputies elected to attend the Parliament, except Fourteen, being of the Number of of the elected; and Four more; And the Declaration of Parliament warrants the major Part present, to elect the Deputies to be sent to the Parliament; so that, admitting the said Nineteen Shires, there are Nine Shires less than assented at Dalkeith.
19 1 3 1 - 24	But if the Defaults of the Deputies of Orkney, for the Cause aforesaid, be dispensed with, and of Three other Shires that chose Deputies, of which but one of each Shire appeared, the absent Deputies of Two of them being hindered by Sickness; and of the Third, because his coming to Edinburgh was not consistent with the Conveniency of his Affairs; and if the like Dispensation be granted to one more Shire, who chose Deputies, and they not appearing, some of that Shire, in Behalf of the Whole, petitioned for effecting the Union; Then there were but Four of the Shires that assented at Dalkeith, which chose not Deputies to meet at Edinburgh, according to the Declaration of Parliament.
58	Burghs in Scotland.
44	Of these there assented at Dalkeith.
36 1	Of these, there sent to Edinburgh,
37	As also the Burgh of Withorne, which assented not at Dalkeith.
34	Of these, Thirty-four only subscribed the Union, and voted at the Election of the One-and-twenty Deputies; one of the other Three being sick; another, whose Livelihood was in the Herring-Fishing (which was at that Time) returning Home before the Election.
24 7 3 - 34	That, of the said Thirty-four, Twenty-four signed the Commission of the One-and-twenty Deputies; Seven were chosen of the Number of the said One-and-twenty; the Hands of the other Three Deputies being wanting to the said Commission.
34 3 7 - 44	If the remaining Three Burghs of the said Thirty-seven be allowed, notwithstanding the Default of the Deputies aforesaid; and if the Poverty of Carraile, Amstruther Easter and Wester, Kilenmy, Rothsey, Lauther, and Peebles, being Seven in Number, may excuse them from sending to Edinburgh, which hath usually excused them from sending to Parliament; Then there is but one of the Burghs remaining that sent to Dalkeith, which sent not to Edinburgh; viz. Dumferlin; in lieu whereof Whitherne, which sent not a Deputy to Dalkeith, sent to Edinburgh, as aforesaid; and their said Deputy voted in the Election.



Memorand.	Elgin,	Shires.	These sent Two Deputies apiece to Dalkeith, and but One to Edenburgh: To which the Deputies answer;
	Nearne,	Shires.
	Glascow, -	Burgh.

That the said Shires are mean, and far remote, and usually impower One Person to represent them in Parliament: And the Commissioners at Dalkeith granted the like Liberty to other Shires.

That after the Deputies of Glascow's accepting the Tender at Dalkeith, their Privileges were, by the Commissioners there, ratified; and the Commissioners for Administration of Justice at Edinburgh, allowed the Deputies Commission, accordingly.

Ordered, That the said Committee do proceed to confer with the Deputies sent from Scotland, according to their former Directions; and that they do expedite that Business for the Judgment of the Parliament.

Ordered, That it be likewise referred to the same Committee appointed to meet with the Deputies sent from Scotland, to consider of the Bill formerly directed to be prepared by the Members of Parliament, being of the Council of State, touching the Confiscation of Estates in Scotland; and an Act of Grace; in order to the speedy Reporting of it to the House: And that the said Committee have the like Power therein as the former Committee had: And that they do report the same to the Parliament.

Ordered, That the Commissioners for Administration of Justice in Scotland have Power to charge yearly the Publick Treasury there, over and above the Sum of Twoand-twenty hundred Pounds, formerly allowed them by the Commissioners of Parliament for ordering and managing the Affairs of Scotland, with any further Sum, not exceeding Eight hundred Pounds more, for defraying the Charges of Under Clerks, and other necessary Incidents for carrying on the Administration of Justice, so as they do not, in the Whole, charge the said Treasury with any Sums exceeding, in all, the Sum of Three thousand Pounds yearly, for that Service: And that the Commander in Chief, in Scotland, be authorized and required to issue out Warrants for the Payment of such Monies as the said Commissioners shall so charge for that Service, not exceeding that Sum, out of the Publick Treasury in Scotland, accordingly.

Ordered, That it be referred to the same Committee, to consider of the Business touching the putting in Ministers into Livings in Scotland; and to consider of the former Commission touching the same; and what Alteration is fit to be made therein; and report the same, with their Opinions therein, to the Parliament.

Ld. Craven's Petition.

A Petition of the Lord Craven being presented;

Resolved, by the Parliament, That this Petition be now read: And the Petition was now read, accordingly; and was intituled, The humble Petition of William Lord Craven.

The Question being put, That the House do proceed further in the Debate upon the Petition of the Lord Craven;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.



Colonel Ingoldsby,	Tellers for the Yeas:	30.
Mr. Strickland,	With the Yeas,	30.
Sir Wm. Masham,	Tellers for the Noes:	34.
Sir John Trevor,	With the Noes,	34.

So it passed in the Negative.

Publick Business.

Ordered, That for Fifteen Sitting-Days next coming, the House do take nothing into Consideration but only publick Business.

Danish Embassy.

The House being informed, That the Lords Ambassadors Extraordinary from the King of Denmark were ready to attend the Parliament, in order to their taking of their Leaves;

The Serjeant, by the Command of the House, went, with his Mace, to attend them from the Court of Wards: And, when the Lords Ambassadors were entered within the House, they uncovered their Heads; Mr. Speaker, and the Members of the House, being likewise uncovered, stood up: And from the Bar, the Master of the Ceremonies, and the Serjeant at Arms, attended them, the one on the Right-hand, the other on the Left, to Two Chairs with Elbows, placed on the North Side of the House; where being set, the Lord Reetz made an Oration in Latin, which he presented in Writing, in Latin and English, by the Master of the Ceremonies: And, after the usual Civilities performed mutually, the said Ambassadors departed out of the House; and were attended by the Master of the Ceremonies, and Serjeant at Arms, to the Court of Wards.

Mr. Speaker, by way of Report, acquaints the House, with what was delivered by the said Lord Reetz, which was presented both in Latin and English: Which was now read.

Ordered, That Sir Peter Wentworth and Sir John Hippisley do accompany the Lords Ambassadors Extraordinary of the King of Denmark, to their taking Water, at the Tower Stairs.

Navy.

Ordered, That the Business concerning Money and Means for managing the Sea-War, be taken into Consideration, on Thursday next, the first Business, and nothing to intervene; and that Mr. Speaker do put the House in mind thereof.

Ordered, That the Council of State, and the Committee of the Navy, do consider of, and prepare, all things in Readiness to be then offered to the Parliament, for the Furtherance of this Business; and the Council of State do particularly give an Account at that time, touching the Building of Ships.

E. of Leven's Petition.

The humble Petition of Alexander Earl of Leven was this Day read.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee appointed to consider of the Bill to be reported touching Confiscation of Estates in Scotland, &c. to consider of this Petition, and examine the Information now given to the House, touching the Earl of Leven; and to state the Matter of Fact touching his Estate; and how the same, or any Part thereof, hath been disposed of by the Parliament of their Authority; and report the same, with their Opinion therein, to the Parliament: And that in the mean time there be no further Disposal of his Estate.

The House, according to former . . . adjourned itself to Tuesday Morning next, Eight of Clock.