House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 20 December 1641

Die Lunæ, 20 Decembris, 1641.

PRAYERS.

Obnexious Publications.

THO. Bates did witness, that one H. Walker did make a Book, intituled, A terrible Outcry against the loytering exalted Prelates; and that he does daily make Books ejusdem farinæ.

Resolved, upon the Question, That one H. Walker shall be sent for as a Delinquent, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House, for being Author, as it is affirmed, of the Pamphlet, intituled, A terrible Outcry against the loytering exalted Prelates: And the Making and Printing of this Book, and other Books, made by the same Author, is referred to the Committee for Printing: The which Committee is revived as to this Business only.

Disarming Recusants.

2davice lecta est Billa, An Act for the present Disarming of Romish Recusants, and, upon Question, committed..

*Law. Whittacre, Sir Walth. Erle, Sir Arth. Haselrig, Mr. Whitehead, Sir H. Anderson, Mr. Hebblethwayte, Mr. Cawley, Sir Ro. Coke, Sir Edw. Deering, Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Rowse, Sir Sam. Owfield, Mr. Sam. Browne, Sir Edw. Hungerford, Sir Jo. Holland, Sir H. Mildmay, Mr. Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Cromwell, Mr. Hill, Mr. Holland, Mr. Whitlock, Mr. Waller, Sir Sam. Rolle, Mr. Cary, Mr. Corbett, Sir Jo. Evelyn, Sir Arth. Ingram, Sir Ra. Hopton, Sir Ro. Pye, Mr. Green, Mr. Pury, Mr. Peard, Serjeant Euers, Mr.Solicitor, Mr. Maynard: And are to meet To-morrow at Eight of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards.

Irish Protestants.

3² vice lecta est Billa, An Act for a speedy Contribution towards the Relief of the poor distressed Protestants, lately driven out of Ireland, by reason of the Rebellion there.

2da vice lecta est Billa preædicta; And upon Question, committed unto the Committee for the Bill of Recusants; And are to meet upon this Bill likewise To-morrow at Eight of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards; with the Addition of these following; Mr. Rowse, Mr. Vassall, Mr. Whittlock, Sir Sam. Rolle, Sir Arth. Ingram, Sir Tho. Bowyer, Sir Ro. Pye, Mr. Morley, Mr. Strode, Sir Edm. Montfont, Mr. Waller, Sir Ro. Coke, Sir Tho. Barrington, Sir Samson Eueres, Mr. Hebblethwayte.

Obstructions to subscribing Petition.

Mr. Perd reports from the Committee appointed to consider of the Obstructions in subscribing Hands to the London Petition, last presented to this House,

1. "That the Lord Mayor said, they were either ignorant or idle People, that did subscribe it:"

2. "That they did not know into what Danger they fell:"

3. "That it tended to Mutiny."

"For Mr. Recorder, he said,"

1. "They did deserve to be disfranchised: That they did not know into what Danger they had run themselves. And, Reading of the Petition, when they came to that Part of it that declared the Common Council the Representative Body of the City, did desire the Removal of Bishops and Papists Lords from the Lords House; Mr. Recorder swore by, &c. That it was a Lye: And said further, That this Petition did tend to Sedition, and to set Men together by the Ears: And, being told it was for Peace; No, said he, it is for Blood, and Cutting of Throats; and, if it come to Cutting of Throats, thank yourselves; and your Blood be upon your own Heads:- That this Petition would rather confirm Episcopacy, than otherwise; and that he hated a Papist, and detested this Petition."

"The Committee having received this Information, and having Power, by their Order, to send for Parties, commanded me to know the Pleasure of this House, in what manner they would have the Lord Mayor and Recorder sent for; whether to the House or to the Committee."

The House would make no further Order herein; but left the Committee to put their former Order in Execution, according to the Power therein given them.

Mr. Perd reported further, "That there were Two Persons sent for to the King's Attorney Serjeant Glanvile, and Serjeant Whitfeild: Who had this Question asked them; Whether they knew or heard, that some of the King's Counsel should say, That some of the King's Subjects Throats should be cut. The Committee desires to know the Pleasure of the House herein."

Ordered, That Sir Samuel Roll, Sir Rob. Cooke, Sir Walter Earle, and Mr. Strode, do repair to the King's Attorney, Serjeant Glanvile, and Serjeant Whitfeild; and desire to know of them, whether they did not ask some Persons Questions; whether any of the King's Counsel, or any other should say, that there would be cutting of Throats are long, or to that Effect; and the Grounds wherefore they asked that Question; and to report the same to this House.

King to be attended.

A Message from the Lords, by Baron Henden and J. Foster;

The Lords sent us with this Message; to acquaint this House, that his Majesty will give Answer to the Petition concerning the Privilege of Parliament, this Afternoon, at Whitehall.

Protestation by Members.

Resolved, upon the Question, That, in no Case, a Protestation ought to be desired by any Member of this House, or admitted by this House, being desired.

Raising Money.

Ordered, That the House be forthwith resolved into a Committee, to consider of the Bill for Raising of Four hundred thousand Pounds, according to former Orders.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Treaty with Scotland.

Sir Philip Stapleton offered, from the Scotts Commissioners, a Paper of this Day's Date: Which was read in hæc verba:

"IT is now Twenty Days since we came hither, and a Fortnight since we began this Treaty; and there is not yet One of our Propositions answered: Therefore, lest those that sent us, and expect an Answer from us against the Eighth of this Month, should impute it to us, we earnestly desire and expect an Answer to our Propositions given in, that we may give in the [Answer], and be at a Point this Day, or To-morrow: And, in case of further Delay, we demand, that since the Eighth of this Month, (at which time we should have sent Answer into Scotland) to the End of the Treaty, we may have Entertainment for the Two thousand Five hundred Men we have kept up for this Service; otherwise we must send into Scotland, that they may be disbanded.

A. Fullerton."

Conference.

Besides the Message ordered on Saturday to be sent up by Mr. Hollis, he was commanded to desire a Conference by a Committee of both Houses, concerning the Declaration; and concerning a Paper now sent from the Scotts. The latter End of the Message appointed on Saturday, was altered: And the House left Mr. Hollis to deliver the Message, according to the Sense of the House now expressed.

Prisoner discharged.

Mr. Chillingworth, a Prisoner in the Tower, by Order of this House, his Petition was this Day read: And thereupon it was.

Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr.Wm. Chillingworth, now a Prisoner in the Tower, by Order of this House, shall be forthwith discharged from any farther Imprisonment; and that Mr. Speaker shall issue forth his Warrant to that Effect.

Ministers Petition.

A Petition exhibited by divers of those Ministers who subscribed it, was this Day read.

The Petitioners were called in: And Dr. Burgesse, in the Name of the rest, did desire, that it might not be under-valued for the Paucity of the Hands; in regard they might have more Hands, but that many of the Ministers; now against Christmas, are at their particular Charge.

The Petitioners were again called in: And Mr. Speaker told them, "That this House takes in good Part your general Care for the Good of the Church; and believe what they say for the Having of more Hands: The Businesses of this House are, at this time, very great; and that, with all convenient Speed, they do resolve to take your Petition into particular Consideration.

Conference &c.

Mr. Hollis brings Answer, That their Lordships will give a present Meeting at a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses: And, touching the other Particulars of the Bill; and the Treaty with the Scotts; they will take them into due Consideration, with all convenient Speed.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Hollis, Sir Philip Stapilton, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Deane Forest.

The humble Petition of Wm. Earl of Salisbury read: And

Ordered, That the Committee for the Forest of Deane do take into Consideration the said Petition and Desire of the said Earl.

Lloyd's Pay.

Ordered, That Captain Lloyd shall have a Month's Pay, according to the Rate agreed upon by this House, advanced unto him by the Chamber of London, out of the Monies lent by the City for the Affairs of Ireland.

Message from the Lords, by Sir Rob. Riche and Dr. Bennett;

Irish Affairs.

That the Lords had appointed the Committee of their House, for the Declaration concerning Ireland, to meet with the Committee of this House, at such time as the House shall think fit; to agree of the Manner of the Entry and Framing of these Propositions.

A Declaration * * * *

Answer returned by the same Messengers; that this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and has resolved, that the Committee shall presently meet, if it shall be desired.

Ordered, That the Committee for Irish Affairs shall meet with the Committee of the Lords, about the Dispatching away of Sir Simon Harcourt's Men.

This House doth well approve of the Propositions made from the Committee for Irish Affairs, concerning a Commission to be directed to certain Persons, upon Instructions to be agreed upon by his Majesty, and both Houses of Parliament; and have ordered, that the Committee for Irish Affairs shall prepare Instructions accordingly; and present them to the House To-morrow Morning.

Ditto.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Rich and Dr. Bennet;

The Lords have appointed, that their Committee shall meet with the Committee of this House, concerning the Matter of the last Message, To-morrow at Nine of Clock.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

This House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and has resolved, that the Committee of this House, shall meet with the Committee of the Lords To-morrow, at Nine of Clock, in the Painted-chamber, as is desired.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed for the Declaration concerning Ireland shall propound to the Committee of the Lords, the Propositions concerning the Proroguing or Dissolving the Parliament of Ireland; and concerning the Government of Ireland.

Sir Ro. Harley went to the Lords with this Message: To desire their Lordships to give Power to their Committee, to treat with the Committee of this House, concerning the Parliament in Ireland, and concerning the Government of Ireland.

Adjournment.

Mr. Strode is to go to the Lords with this Message: To desire their Lordships, that they will not resolve upon a Recess before acquainting this House first therewith; and this House will not resolve upon a Recess without first acquainting * *

Emanuell College.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Bill of Emanuell College shall be revived, as to the Business concerning Mr. Hodges; and shall sit on the Third of Jan. next, at Two post meridiem, in the Star-chamber: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Writings, and Records.

Militia.

Ordered, That the House do take into Consideration, To-morrow peremptorily, the Matter concerning the Militia of the Kingdom: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind thereof.

Exceptions to Members' Words.

Ordered, That such Words as have been spoken by any Members of this House, unto which Exceptions have been formerly taken; and likewise, that the Information formerly given in against Mr. Venn; shall be taken into Consideration, at such Time as this House shall think fit.

Irish Affairs.

Sir Ro. Harley brings Answer, that the Lords will give Power to their Committee to receive the Two Propositions from the Committee of this House, concerning the Government of Ireland; and concerning the Parliament in Ireland: They will likewise not resolve upon a Recess, before they first acquaint this House therewith.

Person to attend.

Ordered, That the Under Sheriff of Northumberland do appear here To-morrow Morning, to attest the Information . . . .

Raising Money.

Ordered, That the House shall be resolved into a [Committee] To-morrow at Twelve of Clock, to proceed with the Consideration of Raising of Monies, according to former Orders.