House of Commons Journal Volume 10: 2 January 1692

Sabbati, 2 die Januarii; 3° Gulielmi et Mariæ.

Prayers.

Earl of Winchelsea's Estate.

AN ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act for enabling the Right honourable Charles Earl of Winchelsea to settle a Jointure upon any Wife he shall marry during his Minority, was read the First time.

Resolved, That the Bill be read a Second time.

Cullum's Estate.

An ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act for enabling Sir Dudley Cullum, Baronet, to raise Monies to pay his Brother and Sister's Portions, was read the First time.

Resolved, That the Bill be read a Second time.

Earl of Waldgrave's Estate.

An ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act to enable Trustees of the Right honourable James Lord Waldgrave to make Leases, and grant Copyhold Estates, for the Payment of the Arrears of Annuities of Henry Lord Waldgrave his Father, deceased, was read the First time.

Resolved, That the Bill be read the Second time.

Judicial Proceedings in Ireland.

Mr. Leving, according to Order, presented to the House a Bill for the Continuing of judicial Proceedings in Ireland, which have been discontinued by reason of the late Troubles there. And the same was received.

Book of Rates, &c.

Resolved, That a Committee be appointed to inspect the Book of Rates; and also the Statute of 22 Car. II^di, for Improvement of Tillage, and Breed of Cattle; and to examine, What Goods of the Growth and Manufacture of England are overcharged; and to report the same, with their Opinions therein to the House.

And it is referred to Sir John Dorrell, Mr. Christie, Mr. Colt, Mr. Blowfeild, Sir Rob. Davers, Lord Digby, Mr. Slater, Mr. White, Mr. Smith, Sir Wm. Strickland, Mr. How, Mr. Waller, Mr. Ash, Mr. Carter, Sir Cha. Rashleigh, Sir Edw. Chisenall, Mr. Palmes, Mr. Lloyd, Mr. Fuller, Sir Christopher Musgrave, Mr. Piggott, Mr. Baile, Mr. Papillion, Mr. Hutchinson, Mr. Arnold, Sir Edw. Abney, Sir Wm. Pritchard, Sir Geo. Willoughby, Mr. Pollexfen, Sir Tho. Clarges, Sir John Key, Sir John Bancks, Mr. Chadwick, Colonel Titus, Sir Peter Colleton, Sir Math. Andrewes, Major Vincent, Mr. Biddolph, Mr. Serjeant Wogan, Sir Hen. Johnson, Sir Robert Henley, Mr. Greenfeild, Sir Ralph Carr, Mr. Fuller, Sir John Moreton, Mr. England, Sir Fra. Drake, Sir John Knight: And they are to meet this Afternoon at Four of the Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber.

Debtors Escapes.

A Bill for the better Relief of Creditors, and preventing Escapes, was read the Second time.

Resolved, That the Bill be committed to Mr. Waller, Lord Commissioner Hutchins, Serjeant Wogan, Mr. Buscawen, Serjeant Trenchard, Sir Jon. Jennings, Mr. Blowfeild, Mr. Bathurst, Sir Willfred Lawson, Mr. Carter, Mr. Hawtry, Mr. Brownlow, Sir Tho. Darcye, Mr. Ogle, Mr. Biddolph, Sir John Brownlow, Sir Jervas Elwes, Mr. Harcourt, Mr. Bowyer, Mr. Bromley, Mr. Christie, Mr. Slater, Mr. How, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Ryder, Mr. Greenfeild, Mr. Lutterell, Mr. Hedger, Mr. Piggott, Sir John Cary, Mr. Price, Sir Rob. Clayton, Sir Fra. Drake, Mr. Tredenham, Mr. Cooke: And they are to meet on Monday next, at Four of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Speaker's Chamber. And it is to be an Instruction to the said Committee, That they prepare and bring in a Clause, to prevent Bailiffs keeping Persons arrested, after such Arrests, at their Houses; and also, That there be a Provision for taking Bail in the Country, in Actions under a Sum to be ascertained by this House; and also, That Declarations may be delivered to Persons in Custody of Sheriffs in the Country, as if in the Custody of the Marshal of the King's Bench, and Warden of the Fleet.

Commissioners of Accompts.

An additional Bill for appointing and enabling Commissioners to examine, state, and take the publick Accompts of the Kingdom, was read the First time.

Resolved, That the Bill be read the Second time upon Tuesday Morning next.

Dover Harbour.

Resolved, That this House will, upon Wednesday Morning next, at Ten a Clock, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider of the Bill for Repair of Dover Harbour.

Leave of Absence.

Ordered, That Mr. Taylor have Leave to go into the Country, for Recovery of his Health, having been lately very ill.

A Motion being made, and the Question being put, That Mr. Burrard have Leave to go into the Country for Ten Days, upon urgent Occasions;

It passed in the Negative.

Supply.

Then Mr. Solicitor General, according to the Order of the Day, reports from the Committee of the whole House, to whom it was referred to consider of the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties for the carrying on a vigorous War against France, That they had considered the Report from the Committee to whom it was referred to consider of the Lists of the Forces, as to such of them as his Majesty had been pleased to signify he thought necessary to be continued in England, Scotland, and the West Indies, and to be transported beyond the Seas, for the Service of the Year 1692; and also of the List of the General Officers, and the Estimate of the Ordnance, and the Abstract of the Establishment of the Garisons, and of the Computations of the Charges of Transportation of the Forces, and the Train of Artillery; and also to consider of what the Charge of the Army in Ireland would be for the Year 1692, and how far that Kingdom could contribute towards the Support of that Charge; and had come to several Resolutions concerning the same; which they had directed him to report to the House: And which he read in his Place; and afterwards delivered in at the Clerk's Table: Where the same were read; and are as followeth; viz.

In relation to the Land Forces to be continued in England, Scotland, the West Indies, and to be transported beyond the Seas, for the Service of the Year 1692;

1. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Number of the Officers and soldiers for the Regiments for the Year 1692, be the same with the Establishment, or List of the Forces delivered in to the House.

2. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the additional Pay to the Officers of the Two English Regiments of Foot Guards, established for the Year 1691, be continued for the Year 1692.

3. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Pay of the Field, Staff, Commissioned, and Non Commissioned Officers and Soldiers, upon the English Establishment, designed to serve in England, Scotland, and the West Indies, and to be transported beyond the Seas, for the Year 1692, be the same with the Year 1691.

4. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Danish Establishments, as delivered in to the House, are reasonable to continue, for the Service of the Year 1692.

5. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Dutch Establishment be reduced to the English Rates, wherein it exceeds the same.

6. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Dutch Establishment be raised to the English Rates, wherein it is less.

7. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Establishment of the Dutch Forces, being computed according to the English Pay, is reasonable, and to be the Establishment for the Dutch Troops in the English Pay, for the Year 1692.

8. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Pay in the Estimate, laid before the House for the General of the Horse, and General of the Foot, be the Pay for those Two Officers, for the Year 1692.

9. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Pay of the Estimate, laid before the House for the rest of the General Officers, be the Pay for the said Officers, for the Year 1692.

10. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Establishment of their Majesties Garisons and Forts for the Year 1692, be paid out of the publick Revenue.

11. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That Twenty-two thousand Pounds, of the Fortyfour thousand Seven hundred Seventy-three Pounds Four Shillings and Five-pence, in the Total of the First Head of the Estimate for the Ordnance, be deducted, in Consideration of the Forces remaining in England, Ireland, Scotland, and the West Indies.

12. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That Twenty-two thousand Seven hundred Seventy-three Pounds Four Shillings and Five-pence is a reasonable Estimate for the Recruits of the Arms, or likewise for the Proportion of spare Arms for the same.

13. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Sum of Twelve thousand Pounds is reasonable to be allowed for Ammunition for the Forces for England, Scotland, the West Indies, and to be transported.

14. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Sum of Eight thousand Pounds is reasonable to be allowed for the Tents for the Forces in England, Scotland, the West Indies, and to be transported.

15. Resolved, That the Sum of Eight thousand Pounds is reasonable to be allowed for the cleaning and repairing Arms, Armour, and other Stores, according to the Estimate delivered in by the Officers of the Ordnance, for the Year 1692.

16. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Sum of One hundred Ten thousand Pounds, for providing a Train of Artillery and Mortars, together with Bombs, Carcasses, Shot, Waggons, Harness, Working Materials, and all other Necessaries for the same, is a reasonable Sum for the said Service of the Year 1692.

17. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Sum of Fifty thousand Pounds, for the Charge of the proper Officers, Ministers and Attendants, necessary for the said Train for one Year, as likewise for providing and keeping Draught Horses, and other Contingencies, is a reasonable Sum for the said Service, for the Year 1692.

18. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Seventh Head of the Estimate for the Ordnance is not to be considered by this Committee, being Part of the Ordinary.

19. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That Twelve Shillings per Ton, per Month, is a reasonable Rate to be allowed for the Transport Ships.

20. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That Two-pence Halfpeny per Pound is a reasonable Rate to be allowed for Cheese, for the Provision for the Forces to be transported from Ireland to England, and from England and Scotland beyond the Seas.

21. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That Eleven Shillings per Hundred Weight is a reasonable Rate to be allowed for Bread for the Service aforesaid.

22. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That Thirty-nine Shillings per Ton is a reasonable Rate to be allowed for Beer for the Transport Ships.

23. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That Twenty Shillings per Ton is a reasonable Rate to be allowed for Cask for the said Beer.

24. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That Six-pence per Man is a reasonable Allowance for Pumps, Buckets, Cans, and Candles.

25. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That Twelve Shillings per Quarter is a reasonable Allowance for Oats, together with Sacks, for the Service aforesaid.

26. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That Two Shillings and Six-pence per Stall is a reasonable Allowance for each Horse.

27. Resolved, That Twenty Shillings per Ton is a reasonable Allowance for Water Cask for the said Service.

28. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the like Abatements upon the other Heads for transporting the Ordnance be made proportionable to the aforesaid Resolutions for transporting the Land Forces.

29. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That a Deduction be made out of the Pay of such of the above-mentioned Troops as shall be transported from Ireland, supposing them to be Eight Days on board, and from the Pay of such as shall be transported from England, supposing them to be Four Days on board, at the Rates of Twelve-pence per diem for an Horse, Six-pence for a Dragoon, and Four-pence for a Foot Soldier; and for those which shall go by long Sea from Ireland to Flanders, supposing them to be Twentyone Days on board, at the same Rates.

30. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the whole Charge of the Army, according to the Resolutions before mentioned, doth amount to the Sum of One million Eight hundred Forty-one thousand Six hundred Seventy-six Pounds Seventeen Shillings and Seven-pence.

In relation to the Charge of Ireland;

31. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Charge of the Lord Lieutenant, or Governor and General Officers for Ireland, for the Year 1692, be the Sum of Eight thousand One hundred Eightyseven Pounds Eighteen Shillings and Eight-pence.

32. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Charge of the Horse to be continued in Ireland, for the Year 1692, be the Sum of Thirteen thousand Four hundred Fifty-eight Pounds Sixteen Shillings.

33. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Charge of the Dragoons to be continued in Ireland, for the Year 1692, be the Sum of Twenty-three thousand Six hundred Thirty-one Pounds Four Shillings.

34. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Charge of the Yeomen of the Guards for Ireland, for the Year 1692, be the Sum of One thousand three hundred Eighty-one Pounds Sixteen Shillings.

35. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Charge of the Foot Soldiers to be continued in Ireland, for the Year 1692, be the Sum of One hundred thirty-eight thousand Three hundred Five Pounds Four Shillings.

36. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Charge of the Officers of the Ordnance for Ireland, for the Year 1692, be the Sum of Two thousand Five hundred Pounds.

37. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Charge of the Ammunition for Ireland, for the Year 1692, be the Sum of One thousand Six hundred Pounds.

38. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Charge of the Establishment for Ireland, for the Service of the Year 1692, be the Sum of One hundred eighty-nine thousand Sixty-four Pounds Eighteen Shillings and Eight-pence.

39. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Charge of the Civil List for Ireland, for the Year 1692, be the Sum of Eighteen thousand Pounds.

In relation to the Revenue of Ireland;

40. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Customs inward and outward, and imported Excise of Ireland, for the Year 1692, may amount unto the Sum of Eighty thousand Pounds in net Money.

41. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Inland Excise, and Ale and Wine Licenses in Ireland, for the Year 1692, may amount to the Sum of Fifty thousand Pounds in net Money.

42. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Quit Rents and Crown Rents of Ireland, for the Year 1692, may amount to the Sum of Thirtythree thousand Pounds in net Money.

43. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the casual Revenue in Ireland, for the Year 1692, may amount unto the Sum of Three thousand Pounds in net Money.

44. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the Hearth Money of Ireland, for the Year 1692, may amount unto the Sum of Seventeen thousand Pounds in net Money.

45. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That for the Year 1692, there be applied, to the Paying of the Forces to be continued in Ireland, of the Revenue there, besides the Rents of the forfeited and Crown Lands, the Sum of One hundred Sixty-five thousand Pounds.

The first Eighteen of the said Resolutions, being read a Second time, were, upon the Question severally put thereupon, agreed unto by the House.

The Nineteenth, Twentieth, One-and-twentieth, Twoand-twentieth, Three-and-twentieth, Four-and-twentieth, Five-and-twentieth, Six-and-twentieth, Seven-and-twentieth, Eight-and-twentieth, and Nine-and-twentieth of the said Resolutions, being severally read a Second time, were, upon the Question severally put thereupon, disagreed unto by the House.

And, instead of the Matters of the said Eleven Resolutions, which related to Transportation, it being moved, That One hundred thousand Pounds may be allowed, according to the Estimate delivered in for the Army;

Resolved, That One hundred thousand Pounds be allowed for the Charge of the Hire of Transport Ships, and other Charges of Transportation, according to the Estimate delivered in to this House.

The Thirtieth Resolution being read a Second time;

An Amendment being proposed, in regard Six thousand Pounds is deducted for Transportation; the same was agreed unto; viz.

Resolved, That the Charge of the Army, according to the Resolutions agreed unto by the House, doth amount unto the Sum of One million Eight hundred thirty-five thousand Six hundred Seventy-six Pounds Seventeen Shillings and Seven-pence.

The One-and-thirtieth and Two-and-thirtieth Resolutions being severally read a Second time; the same were, upon the Question severally put thereupon, agreed unto by the House.

The Three-and-thirtieth Resolution being read a Second time;

And the Question being put, That the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution, That the Charge of the Dragoons to be continued in Ireland, for the Year 1692, be the Sum of Twenty-three thousand Six hundred Thirty-one Pounds Four Shillings;

The House divided.

The Noes go forth.

So it passed in the Negative.

The Four-and-thirtieth Resolution being read a Second time; the same was, upon the Question put thereupon, agreed unto by the House.

The Five-and-thirtieth Resolution being read a Second time;

And the Question being put, That the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution, That the Charge of the Foot Soldiers to be continued in Ireland, for the Year 1692, be the Sum of One hundred Thirty-eight thousand Three hundred Five Pounds Four Shillings;

The House divided.

The Noes go forth.

So it passed in the Negative.

The Six-and-thirtieth and Seven-and-thirtieth Resolutions being read a Second time; the same were, upon the Question severally put thereupon, agreed unto by the House.

The Eight-and-thirtieth Resolution being read a Second time;

And the Question being put, That the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution, That the Charge of the Establishment for Ireland, and for the Service of the Year 1692, will be the Sum of One hundred Eighty-nine thousand Sixty-four Pounds Eighteen Shillings and Eight-pence;

The House divided.

The Noes go forth.

So it passed in the Negative.

The Nine-and-thirtieth, Fortieth, One-and-fortieth, Two-and-fortieth, Three-and-fortieth, Four-and-fortieth and Five-and-fortieth Resolutions, being severally read a Second time; the same were, upon the Question severally put thereupon, agreed unto by the House.

Resolved, That it be re-committed to the said Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the Charge of the Dragoons and Foot Soldiers to be continued in Ireland, for the Year 1692.

Resolved, That this House will, upon Monday Morning next, at Ten a Clock, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties, for the carrying on a vigorous War against France.

Irish Forfeitures.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to receive Proposals for Raising of Money upon forfeited Estates in Ireland, have Power to send for Persons, Papers and Records.

Conference desired with Lords.

Ordered, That Mr. Mountague do, upon Monday Morning next, go to the Lords; and desire a free Conference upon the Subject Matter of the last Conference.

East India Company.

Ordered, That the Answer and Proposals, given in to this House, upon Tuesday last, by the Committee of the East India Company, be taken into further Consideration upon Monday Morning next, after the Committee of the whole House hath sat upon the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties; and that the Committee of the East India Company do then attend the House.

Committees.

Ordered, That all Committees be adjourned.

And then the House adjourned till Monday Morning, Eight of the Clock.