House of Commons Journal Volume 10: 20 March 1689

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 10, 1688-1693. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 10: 20 March 1689', in Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 10, 1688-1693( London, 1802), British History Online https://prod.british-history.ac.uk/commons-jrnl/vol10/pp53-56 [accessed 25 November 2024].

Mercurii, 20 die Martii; 1° Willielmi et Mariæ.

Prayers.

Graham and Burton's Accounts.

ORDERED, That Sir Cha. Raleigh, Sir Rob. Clayton, Sir Hen. Goodrick, Sir Tho. Dyke, Sir Rob. Nappier, Sir Wm. Cooper, Mr. Edw. Windham, Mr. Papilion, Lord Downe, Sir Wm. Cooke, Mr. England, Mr. Cooke, Mr. Trafford, Mr. Herbert, Mr. Sandford, Sir Gilbert Clerke, Mr. Leveson Gowre, Mr. Fuller, Mr. Bickerstaffe, Lord Digby, Col. Mildmay, Mr. Fenwick, Mr. Gwyn, be added to the Committee appointed to examine the Cases of Mr. Graham, Mr. Burton, and the other Prisoners in the Tower, Newgate, and the Gatehouse; and, as they find Occasion, to prepare Accusations against them; and report the same to the House.

Removing Papists.

Ordered, That the Committee, to whom the Bill for the removing Papists, and reputed Papists, from the Cities of London and Westminster, and Ten Miles Distance from the same, is referred, be revived; and do sit this Afternoon, at Five a Clock, in the former Place: And that there be added to the same, Lord Digby, Sir Hen. Goodrick, Lord Downe, Sir Tho. Darcye, Mr. Fenwicke, Mr. Bickerstaffe, Mr. Thomson, Mr. Williams, Sir Wm. Poultney, Sir. Fra. Russell, Mr. Lampton, Mr. Cooke, Sir Jos. Tredenham, Mr. England, Mr. Leveson Gowre, Sir Tho. Littleton, Mr. Lee, Sir Wm. Cooke, Sir Tho. Pope Blount, Mr. Cooke.

London Out Parishes Courts of Conscience.

Ordered, That Leave be given to bring in a Bill for erecting Courts of Conscience in the Out Parishes of London, and in Southwarke.

And the Bill being offered;

Ordered, That the Bill do lie upon the Table.

Abolishing Hearth-money.

Resolved, That a Bill for taking away the Revenue arising by Hearth-money, be now read a Second time.

The Bill was read a Second time.

Resolved, That the Bill be committed to Mr. Papillion, Lord Falkland, Sir Fra. Russell, Sir Jos. Tredenham, Lord Downe, Sir Hen. Goodrick, Mr. Foley, Mr. Wogan, Mr. Bickerstaffe, Mr. Finch, Mr. Buckley, Mr. Sandford, Sir Wm. Cooke, Sir John Knight, Mr. England, Mr. Reignolds, Mr. Roberts, Mr. Dorrell, Mr. Ash, Sir Rob. Rich, Sir Ralph Dutton, Mr. Christy, Sir Christopher Musgrave, Mr. Trenchard, Mr. Gwyn, Mr. Dowdswell, Mr. Bockland, Mr. Vaughan, Sir Gilb. Clerke, Mr. Grey, Mr. Hunt, Sir Tho. Littleton, Mr. Hamden, Mr. Thomson, Mr. Fenwick, Mr. Finch: And that it be an Instruction to the Committee, that a Clause be brought in, to reserve to their Majesties the Duty due at Lady-day next: And they are to meet To-morrow in the Afternoon, at Four of the Clock, in the Speaker's Chamber.

Prideaux's Claim on Lord Jeffreys.

A Petition of Edmund Prideaux, Esquire, of Ford Abby, was read.

Resolved, That a Committee be appointed to consider of the said Petition; and examine the Matter of Fact thereof; and report the same to the House.

And it is referred unto Mr. Hamden, Mr. Gwyn, Lord Falkland, Sir Christopher Musgrave, Mr. Foley, Sir Jos. Tredenham, Sir Walter Moyle, Sir Tho. Lee, Sir Rob. Clayton, Mr. Wogan, Mr. Bescowen, Sir Ralph Dutton, Sir Fra. Drake, Mr. Colt, Mr. Lee, Sir Walter Young, Mr. Hervey, Sir Hen. Goodrick, Mr. Ash, Mr. Coningsby, Mr. Somers, Mr. Musgrave, Sir Tho. Littleton, Sir Hen. Johnson, Mr. Mansell, Sir Fra. Russell: And they are to meet To-morrow in the Afternoon, at Four a Clock: And are impowered to send for Persons, Papers, and Records.

Regulating Trials.

An ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act for the Regulation of Trials, was read the First time.

And a Debate arising thereupon;

Resolved, That the Debate be adjourned until Monday Fortnight, Ten a Clock.

Supply Bill; granting a present Aid.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Adam Ottley and Mr. Methwyn;

Mr. Speaker, The Lords have sent us to acquaint this House, that the Lords have passed the Bill for the granting a present Aid to their Majesties.

And then the Messengers withdrew.

Leave of Absence.

Ordered, That Mr. White Titchborne have Leave to go into the Country, his only Daughter lying a Dying.

A Motion was made, That Sir Thomas Mompesson have Leave to go into the Country, for a Week, upon urgent Occasions:

The Question was put, That he have such Leave.

The House divided.

The Yeas go forth.



Tellers for the Yeas,	Mr. Garway,	129.
	Mr. Palmes,
Tellers for the Noes,	Mr. Coningsby,	168.
	Mr. Pierpoint,

And so it was resolved in the Negative.

Excise Revenue.

Colonel Birch, according to the Order of Yesterday, delivered in the Accompt of the Excise, according to his Books: Which Accompts were read; and are as followeth.

An Abstract of the gross and net Produce of the Excise of England and Wales, in Four Years, ending the 24th of June 1688.


Per Contra.

Year ended 24 June 1685.	£.	s.	d.
Gross Excise of Beer, Ale, Cyder, Metheglin, Strong Waters, Coffee, &c.	627,523	18	8¼
Gross Excise of Brandy, Mum, and Cyder, imported	48,491	3	8¼
£.	676,015	2	4½
Charges of Management	86,263	11	—½
Exported Beer, &c.	1,138	11	5¾
Arrears	3,721	5	4¾
Neat Produce	584,891	14	6
£.	676,015	2	4½
Year ended 24 June 1686.
Gross Excise of Beer, Ale, Cyder, Metheglin, Strong Waters, Coffee, &c.	638,993	11	9 5/4
Gross Excise of Brandy, Mum, and Cyder, imported	33,741	3	10½
£.	672,734	15	8¼
Per Contra.
Charges of Management	85,852	14	6
Exported Beer, &c.	620	16	—¼
Arrears	2,128	2	3¾
Neat Produce	584,133	2	10¾
£.	672,734	15	8¼
Year ended 24 June 1687.
Gross Excise of Beer, Ale, Cyder, Metheglin, Strong Waters, Coffee, &c.	676,866	10	7½
Gross Excise of Brandy, Mum, and Cyder, imported	41,385	10	2
£.	718,252	—	9½
Per Contra.
Charges of Management	87,139	2	11¾
Allowance for Overcharge	5	4	2¾
Arrears	5,216	11	11¾
Neat Produce	625,891	1	7½
£.	718,252	—	9½
Year ended 24 June 1688.
Gross Excise of Beer, Ale, Cyder, Metheglin, Strong Waters, Coffee, &c.	682,172	9	3¼
Gross Excise of Brandy, Mum, and Cyder, imported	50,146	9	1
£.	732,318	18	4¼
Per Contra.
Charges of Management	88,639	15	9¼
Allowance for Overcharge	30	4	10¾
Arrears	7,290	4	11¾
Neat Produce	636,358	12	8½
£.	732,318	18	4¼

Memorandum. The additional Duty upon Brandy and Strong Waters, which began the 1st of July 1685, is not included in these Accompts; which doth amount to 45,000£. per Annum.

The gross and neat Produce of the additional Excise upon Brandy imported, and inland Strong Waters, from the 1st of July 1685, at which time it first began, to the 24th of June 1688; viz.


Per Contra.

From 1st July 1685, to 24 June 1686.	£.	s.	d.
The gross Produce of the additional Excise upon Brandy imported	27,949	13	11
The gross Produce of the additional Excise upon inland Strong Waters	7,583	7	7½
£.	35,533	1	6½
By Poundage allowed to the Collectors of Brandy in the Out Ports, at 2 s. per Pound	946	16	7
By incident Charges in the Port of London, and the Out Ports	261	7	8½
By neat Produce	34,324	17	3
£.	35,533	1	6½
From the 24th June 1686,to the 24th June 1687.
The gross Produce of the additional Excise upon Brandy imported	37,365	2	—
The gross Produce of the additional Excise upon inland Strong Waters	8,614	9	11
£.	45,979	11	11
Per Contra.
By Poundage allowed to the Collectors of Brandy in the Out Ports, at 2s. per Pound	998	10	1½
By incident Charges in the Port of London, and in the Out Ports	348	17	6¼
By neat Produce	44,632	4	3¼
£.	45,979	11	11
From 24th June 1687, to the 24th June 1688.
The gross Produce of the additional Excise upon Brandy imported	45,224	6	2½
The gross Produce of the additional Excise upon inland Strong Waters	9,292	13	5
£.	54,516	19	7½
Per Contra.
By Poundage allowed to the Collectors of Brandy in the Out Ports, at 2s. per Pound	968	—	1¼
By incident Charges in the Port of London, and in the Out Ports	322	7	7
By neat Produce	53,226	11	11¼
£.	54,516	19	7½

Resolved, That the said Accompts be referred to the Committee of the whole House, who are to take into Consideration the Revenue, and the constant and necessary Charge of supporting the Crown.

Revenue of the Crown.

Sir Robert Howard, according to the Order of Yesterday, delivered in such Accompts and Estimates, as he conceived were necessary for the Service of the House: Which Accompts were read; and are as followeth:

An ABSTRACT of the Expences of the late King James the Second, by actual Payments in Money, for Three Years, from Lady-day 1685; to Lady-day 1688; viz.

In the several Years ended at Lady-day 86.				Lady-day 1687.			Lady-day 1688.			TOTALS.			Mediums.
	£.	s.	d.	£.	s.	d.	£.	s.	d.	£.	s.	d.	£.	s.	d.
To the Navy	367,130	13	6	444,805	4	10	440,452	—	3	1,252,387	18	7	417,462	12	10⅓
Ordnance	70,300	—	—	86,904	11	2½	93,275	16	7	250,480	7	9½	83,493	9	3¹/6
Forces	547,124	7	9	664,259	6	10	621,265	9	9½	1,832,649	4	4½	610,883	1	5½
Houshold	52,600	—	—	66,156	15	8¾	79,261	10	10	198,018	6	6¾	66,006	2	2¼
Treasurer of the Chamber	23,272	17	5	26,527	2	7	35,529	15	8	85,329	15	8	28,443	5	2²/3
Wardrobe	10,000	—	—	14,600	—	—	20,775	11	10½	45,375	11	10½	15,125	3	11½
Robes	1,780	4	3	3,750	—	—	2,500	—	—	8,030	4	3	2,676	14	9
Works	28,429	19	8	25,285	—	—	20,276	18	2	73,991	17	10	24,663	19	3½
Foreign Ministers	37,435	7	2	32,447	18	8	28,089	2	11	97,972	8	9	32,657	9	7
Stables	4,200	—	—	12,090	7	8	16,846	11	5¼	33,136	19	1¼	11,045	13	—²/3
Sundry Fees and Salaries paid at the Exchequer, and alibi	43,479	9	7¼	60,836	6	5½	65,144	1	8¼	169,486	17	9	56,495	12	7
Pensions and Annuities	117,443	18	4½	158,910	2	3¾	163,757	11	1	440,111	11	9¼	146,703	17	3 1/12
Band of Pensioners	3,000	—	—	9,000	—	—	6,000	—	—	18,000	—	—	6,000	—	—
Bounties, in gross Sums, paid at the Exchequer	44,886	—	6	14,913	11	6½	23,242	—	—	83,041	12	—½	27,680	10	8¼
Secret Services per Mr. Guy	93,890	16	6½	85,941	13	3	90,072	14	10¾	269,905	4	8¼	89,968	8	2¾
Per Secretary of State	5,000	—	—	8,950	—	—	4,250	—	—	18,200	—	—	6,066	13	4
Sir Stephen Fax	10,000	—	—	9,600	—	—	8,400	—	—	28,000	—	—	9,333	6	8
Privy Purse	25,950	—	—	27,300	—	—	26,000	—	—	79,250	—	—	26,416	13	4
Mint paid out of Coinage		—			—			—			—			—
Jewels and Plate	21,087	—	—	10,400	—	—	15,733	18	2	47,220	18	2	15,740	6	—²/3
Impost Bills	96	12	—	96	12	—	96	12	—	289	16	—	96	12	—
Contingencies, not reducible to the foregoing Heads	15,961	15	3	30,043	15	5¼	21,204	8	3	67,209	18	11¼	22,403	6	3¾
£.	1,523,069	2	—¾	1,792,845	8	6¼	1,782,174	3	7¼	5,098,088	14	1¾	1,699,363	2	9

Memorandum: The Principal and Interest to the Bankers and their Assigns, and the Interest of Monies borrowed.

Notes referring to the Estimate of the Expence of the Crown.

Navy.—In the last Four Years of King Charles the Second, the Charge of the Navy was never less than 400,000£. per Annum.

Houshold.—In King Charles the Second's Time computed at 107,006£.

Ordnance.—The Ordnance was always paid 1,000£. the Week, and 2,000£. the Quarter, which is per Annum 60,000£.

And this ordinary was never less; what was more, as in the Medium, was paid by peculiar Warrants.

Forces.—In the last Six Years of King Charles the Second, the Expence of the Force amounted to about 300,000£. per Annum.

Treasurer of the Chamber.—The annual Expence, in King Charles the Second's Time, when computed at 30,000£.

Robes.—King Charles the Second, when all Heads were retrenched, continued the Robes at the Expence of 5,000£. per Annum:

Pensions and Annuities.—By the Medium it appears, One Year's Payment 146,703£. 146,703£ 17s. 3d.

In these Years was 50,000£. paid to the Queen Consort every Year.

To the Queen Dowager 18,200£. yearly.

To the Prince and Princess of Denmark yearly 32,000£.:

But their Expences have exceeded this about 8,000£. a Year; which has been paid out of Bounty, in gross.

Privy Purse,—In King Charles the Second's Time the Privy Purse was computed at 30,000£. per Annum.

Impost Bills.— In King Charles the Second's Time, was 3,606£. per Annum.

Contingencies, &c. As Clerkships, Repairing the Highways, Law-suits, Liberties in the Exchequer, and other Casualties.


Charges upon the Revenue.

	£.	s.	d.
The Charge of the Crown, by the Medium presented, is yearly	1,699,363	2	9
In King Charles the Second's Time, the Charge of the Forces was about 300,000£. per Annum	300,000	—	—
£.	1,399,363	2	9
Mr. Tho. Fox, for the Security of his Place of Receiver of the Customs, by Tally	20,000	—	—
Mr. Duncombe, for the same, on the Excise	20,000	—	—
The City, on the Excise	185,525	—	—
To Mr. Hornby, on the Excise	5,000	—	—
To Mr. Hall, on the H. Money	47,000	—	—
£.	277,525	—	—
There is in Arrear to the Army and Navy about	300,000	—	—
There is also a yearly Charge of 79,566£. 14s. 2d. for perpetual Interest to the Goldsmiths and their Assigns; which is now in Arrear, at Lady-day next, for Six Years	477,400	5	—

Resolved, That the said Accompts be referred to the Committee of the whole House, who are to take into Consideration the Revenue, and the constant and necessary Charge of supporting the Crown.

The House then, according to the Order of Yesterday, resolved into a Committee of the whole House, to take into Consideration the Revenue, and the constant necessary Charge of supporting the Crown, and the State of Ireland.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair.

Mr. Hamden took the Chair of the Committee.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Mr. Hamden reports from the Committee of the whole House, That the Committee had taken into their Consideration the Revenue, and the constant necessary Charge of supporting the Crown, and the State of Ireland; and that they had come to several Resolutions: Which he read in his Place; and afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where the same being read, are as follow:

Resolved, Nemine contradicente, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That there be a Revenue of 1,200,000£. per Annum settled upon their Majesties, for the constant necessary Charge of supporting the Crown in time of Peace.

Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee, That the House be moved, to appoint a Committee to consider, and report to the House, what Sum may be necessary to allow, by the Year, for a Charge of a Summer and Winter Guard at Sea; and of Forces, and Office of Ordnance, in time of Peace, out of the 1,200,000£. per Annum.

The First of the said Resolves being read a Second time;

Resolved, Nemine contradicente, That the House do agree with the Committee, That there be a Revenue of 1,200,000£. per Annum settled upon their Majesties, for the constant necessary Charge of supporting the Crown in time of Peace.

The Second of the said Resolves being read a Second time;

An Amendment was proposed to be made therein, by leaving out these . . . ., "and of Forces;" and, instead thereof, to insert these Words, "and Guards and Garisons by Land:" And, upon the Question severally put thereupon, the House agreed to the same.

And the Question being proposed, That the House do agree to the Resolve, so amended;

The Question was put, That the Question be now put: And

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

The main Question being put, That the House do agree with the Committee in the said Resolve, so amended, That a Committee be appointed to consider and report to the House, what Sum may be necessary to allow, by the Year, for the Charge of a Summer and Winter's Guard at Sea, and Guards and Garisons by Land, and Office of Ordnance, in time of Peace, out of the 1,200,000£. per Annum;

The House divided.

The Noes go forth.



Tellers for the Yeas,	Sir Jos. Tredenham,	122.
	Sir Fra. Russell,
Tellers for the Noes,	Sir Rich. Temple,	63.
	Mr. Papillion:

And so it was resolved in the Affirmative.

And it is referred unto Sir Hen. Johnson, Sir John Knight, Sir Christopher Musgrave, Mr. Papillion, Sir Jos. Tredenham, Sir Walter Young, Sir Wm. Williams, Mr. Sacheverell, Mr. Parker, Sir Rob. Davers, Sir Fra. Russell, Sir Hen. Goodrick, Mr. Herbord, Mr. Finch, Mr. Garway, Sir Wm. Yorke, Sir Rob. Howard, Mr. Palmes, Mr. Montague, Mr. Parkhurst, Major Wildman, Mr. Hamden, Mr. Boscowen, Mr. Musgrave, Lord Falkland, Sir Hen. Capell, Sir Tho. Clarges, Mr. Gwyn, Sir Ralph Dutton, Mr. Russell, Sir Matth. Andrews: And they are to meet at Eight of the Clock To-morrow Morning, in the Speaker's Chamber; and make their Report with all convenient Speed.

Mr. Hamden also acquainted the House, That he was directed to move the House, that it would, To-morrow Morning, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House to take into Consideration the State of Ireland.

Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow Morning, at Ten of the Clock, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to take into Consideration the State of Ireland.

Committees.

Ordered, That all Committees be adjourned.

And then the House adjourned till To-morrow Morning, Nine a Clock.