House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 08 June 1626

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Jovis, 8o Junii

Gregg's Patent.

GREGG his other Patent to be brought in To-morrow to the Committee for Grievances.

Tonage and Poundage.

The House turned into a grand Committee, for Tonage and Poundage.

Remonstrance to the King.

Mr. Noy reporteth from the grand Committee, for Tonage and Poundage, that this Committee of Opinion, that

a Remonstrance should be made to his Majesty, concerning .....

2ly, That a Committee should be named, for framing hereof.

Upon Question, such a Remonstrance to be made.

2ly, A Committee to be named, to frame Heads for this Remonstrance, to be .....

Mr. Noy, Mr. Spencer, Sir Nath. Rich, Sir Wm. Spencer, Sir Tho. Middleton, Sir D. Digges, Mr. Secretary Cooke, Sir J. Perrott, Mr. Glanvyle, Sir M. Abbott, Sir P. Hayman, Sir A. Ingram, Mr. Herberte, Sir Row. Cotton, Mr. Littleton, Sir Ro. Pye, Mr. Pymme, Mr. Wentworth, Sir Geor. Fane, Sir Francis Barnam Master of the Wards, Mr. Rolles, Mr.Cage: - To-morrow in the Afternoon, Star-chamber.

Pretended Letter by Sir J. Savyle.

Sir Francis Foliambe tendereth to make Proof, by Witnesses, the Copy of the Letter, pretended to have been written by Sir Jo. Savyle, to have been a true Copy of the Letter written by him; and Interrogatories, for them to be examined upon: Which read. But resolved, the Speaker not to be tyed to those, but might minister any other Interrogatories, upon Occasion.

Mr. Farrer, brought in to testify herein, testifieth, Dr. Foxcrofte shewed him that, which, he said, was the original Letter; and that it agreed in Substance and Effect, as he verily remembereth. That he thinketh, the Superscription, or Letter, was not Sir Jo. Savyle's Hand, which he had formerly seen ; but he took the Subscription to be Sir Jo. Savyle his Hand. That this was published as Sir Jo. Savyle's Letter; and saw several Copies of it; and saw divers Hands subscribed to a Writing, which were gotten upon this Letter; but what the Substance of that Writing was, or to whom it was directed, knoweth not.

Sir Jo. Savyle acknowlegeth, such a Letter came down, whereunto his Name was set.

An. Foxcrofte, called in, confesseth, he hath seen the Original, whereof he taketh this to be a Copy, and had it in his own Hands within this Month, finding it in his Father's Counting-house Window, and thereupon read, Thinketh, the Letter, nor Superscription, written by Sir Jo. but knoweth not, whether the Subscription such. That it was published as Sir Jo. Savyle's Letter; and Copies given out of it; and Hands thereupon gotten to a Writing, which was sent to London, to one Key, to be by him delivered to Sir Jo. Savyle. Thinketh, Da. Foxcrofte, his Father, had this Original within this fortnight; and saw it, within these Three Weeks, in the Counting-house Window: Saw it within this Week, and had it within this Week, in his own Hands; and thinketh, his Father now hath it; but knoweth not that certainly. Confesseth, he saw it Yesternight, and had it in his Hands, and delivered it to his Father.

Dan. Foxcrofte, called in, confesseth, he hath seen the Original, whereof this a Copy: Saw it within this fortnight. Being asked, when the last Time he saw it; saith, he is old, and his Memory bad : Confesseth, he saw it within this Week: Confesseth, he had seen it within 24 Hours: And asked again, whether he had it not last Night; confesseth, he had. Asked, where the Letter is; confesseth, he hath it about him: And delivered in the Letter.

The original Letter read: And Sir Jo. Savyle, shewed the Name subscribed, and demanded, whether this be his Handwriting, or not, denieth it absolutely.

Mr. Best: - That Mr. Edmund Savyle told him, he did write the Letter, by his Father's Direction.

Sir Jo. Savyle denieth, he ever gave his Son any Direction to write any Letter to this Effect; but confesseth he gave Direction, to write a Letter, to Benson, for making a Certificate, but not with any such Clause.

Sir Jo. Savyle denieth, that ever he writ, or directed any other Letter to be written, to any such Effect as this (without the offensive Clause) except that written by Benson.

Sir Jo. Savyle, demanded, whether this Letter be of his Son's writing, or not, answereth, it is not his Son's Hand, nor Benson's; nor knoweth, whose Writing it is; but would as gladly know, as any Man.

Sir . Jo. Savyle, demanded, where his Son is, answereth, he well knoweth not; for hath not seen him these Ten Days.

Mr. Best:- - That. . . his Son, Five Weeks before, and also after, Sir Francis Fuliambe delivered in the Copy, told him, he had written this Letter. And Mr. Goldsboroughe affirmeth, Mr. Savyle told him, he knew best what was in the Letter, for he writ it.

Sir Wm. Herberte relateth some Words spoken by Sir J. Savyle about Five Weeks sithence, that he had given Direction to his Son to say, he wrote this Letter, of purpose to discover the Plot against him.

Sir Jo. Savyle . - That the Letter, written by Benson, was to the same Men, and of the same Subject, but without the offensive Clause.

Sir Jo. Savyle demanded, whether he subscribed the Letter written by Benson, denieth it; nor ever saw the Letter written by Benson, after he, by his Direction, had written it; nor knoweth, by whom that Letter was sent; but saith, that Letter was sent and delivered accordingly. Sir Jo. Savyle: - That this original Letter not written with Benson's Hand.

Da. Foxcrofte, having retired into the Committee Chamber, and called in again, and demanded, whether this Original first delivered to him, faith, it was sent him opened, and as it now is, inclosed in a Letter from Harrison: Which read.

Demanded, whether the Name, subscribed, be Sir Jo. Savyle's, saith, he knoweth not; but hath seen many of his Subscriptions, and never saw " John" written short, "Jo." but, "John."

The Words, " pretended Letter," written on the Backside of the Original; he confesseth, he writ those Words presently after the Receipt of it; he distrusting it, because of the Difference of the Subscription. Confesseth, this published in the Country; and Copies given out by himself of this, as Sir Jo. Savyle's Letter; and procured thereupon divers Hands to a Writing, to be sent up to Sir Jo. Savyle. That he received no Letter, about this Time, from Benson; nor saw any such; nor knoweth Benson's Hand ; nor whose Hand it is. That he hath kept the original Letter ever sithence his Receipt of it, never delivering it out of his own Presence. That he received a Letter from Harrison's Wife, as he remembereth, on Saturday was sevennight, and another from Harrison himself, which he hath about him. That the Writing, with the Hands, was sent up, to be delivered to Sir Jo. Savyle. That he received no other Letter from Sir Jo. Savyle, or any other, but only One other Letter from Harrison, dated 21o Maii last.

Mr. Farrer, called in, affirmeth, he never saw any Letter to this Effect, but only this Original, now shewed him. Knoweth not, whose Hand the Body, or Superscription, of the Letter; but thinketh, the Subscription is Sir Jo. Savyle's ; and this is (as he verily believeth) is the same Letter he saw : Never heard of any Letter written by Benson, nor knoweth, whether this written with Benson's Hand. - So An. Foxcrofte.

John Harrison called in, confesseth, he had Two Letters to this Purpose; One written on Saturday Night, the other left at his House on Sunday after; One was written by Benson, written with his own Hand, and in his own Name, but by Sir Jo. Savyle's Direction ; the other subscribed, Jo. Savyle. Knoweth not, who or whether Benson's Man delivered it him, or not. The second Letter left at his House upon Sunday in the Afternoon. That this was delivered him sealed, and he opened it. Knoweth not, whether the Letter, he sent to Foxcrofte, were the Original, or a Copy of it; for he delivered the Letter to some of his Neighbours, and they delivered that, or a Copy of it, to him again upon Monday after. Confesseth, he did write to his Uncle Foxcrofte, that he had sent him a Letter, sent from Sir Jo. Savyle. Confesseth, he did send, to have this Letter kept safe by his Uncle, or else to be sent to his Wife; and writ to her, to keep it safe. That this he did, after he heard it was questioned in Parliament. Knoweth not, who writ the Superscription of the Letter, but conceived, it was Edw. Smythe's Writing; but now knoweth it not. Thinketh not the Subscription to be Sir Jo. Savyle's Hand-writing; for better written, than Sir Jo. writeth. Thinketh, the Letter

he received, with Sir Jo. Savyle's Name subscribed to it, was in half a Sheet of Paper.

Demanded, who put Wax to this Letter, said, it might be, he might put Wax to it. Afterwards he said, he thinketh, the Wax, upon the Original, was upon it, when it came to him. -

Sir Jo. Savyle: - That the Letter was in a whole Sheet, and was after half cut off, by Reason Da. Foxcrofte was misplaced; and thereupon a new Superscription was written, as he hath heard. -

That he delivered the Letter, subscribed Jo. Savyle, to his Neighbours; who delivered him back that, or a Copy, but knoweth not, whether. Remembereth not, what Seal upon this Letter. That he delivered the Letter he received from Benson, and delivered it to his Neighbours; but had neither it, nor the Copy thereof, from them.

Being asked, why he sent not that to his Uncle, as well as the other; saith, because that was not directed to Foxcrofte, but only to himself, or to him and Medcalf.

Upon Question, John Harrison to appear again upon Monday Morning; and Sir Jo. Savyle then to produce his Witnesses; and Mr. Edm. Savyle then also to attend.

Committee of Privileges.

The Report from the Committee of Privileges to be upon Tuesday next; and the Committee to chuse another in the Cair, when Sir Jo. Finch his own Election shall come in Question at the said Committee.