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Mercurii, 25o Maii
Skynner's
L. 1. AN Act for the Relief of Dame Jane Skynner, late Wife of Sir Jo. Skynner deceased, for the Recovery of her Dower, out of the Manor of Castell-campes, in the Counties of Cambridge and Essex.
Committee to meet.
L. 1. An * * * *
The Committee for Fletton to be this Afternoon, in the Queen's Court.
Thetcher.
L. 1. An Act to enable Wm. Thetcher, of Priest-hawes
Gostlett.
L. 1. - Gostlett.
Bill committed.
L. 2. - * - Committed to the King's learned Counsel, Sir H. Poole, Mr. Tho. Morgan, the Knights for Essex, Sir H. Nevill, Mr. Leech, Sir Wm. Walter, Sir Ro. Sydney, Sir Jo. Ratcliffe, Sir Wm. Tate, Mr. Drake, Sir Tho. Low, Sir Roger Owen, Mr. Sidney Mountague, Mr. Jo. Glanvyle, Mr. Marshall, Mr. Courtman, Mr. Chibborne, Sir Edw. Mountague, Mr. Trevor, Sir Walter Mountague, Mr. Hackwill, Mr. Davys, Mr. Middleton, Sir Ro. Yaxley, Mr. Backhowse, Sir Ro. Phillippes, Sir Wm. Lovelace, Sir Francis Barnam, Sir Jo. Strangewayes: - Monday, Chequer Chamber.
Customs.
L. 2. An Act to avoid the Extortions and Exactions of Customers, Comptrollers, &c. - Committed to Sir Wm. Strowde, all the Burgesses of Port Towns, Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Arthur Ingram, Mr. Dobleday, the Knights for London, Sir Jo. Savyle, Sir R. Phillippes, Sir Wm. Walter, Sir Tho. Smyth, Mr. Jo. Glanvyle, Mr. Jo. Drake, Sir Ro. Owen, Mr. Crew, Mr. Alford, Sir Jo. Hollys, Mr. Backhowse, Mr. Hackwill, Mr. Fuller, Sir Ed. Gyles: - Friday next, Exchequer Chamber.
Bankrupts.
L. 2. An Act - Bankrupts. -
Sir Geor. Moore, Mr. Fuller, Mr. Alford, against the Bill.
Mr. Alford: - Giveth Oath to the Wife, and imprisoneth her for her Husband. The Penalty greater than for Treason. -
Dashed.
Non-residents.
Mr. Fuller reporteth the Bill for Non-residents, with some Amendments; which twice read: - With the Amendments, Ingrossetur.
Privilege - Reflections on the House.
Mr. Mervyn : - That One .... hath said, that, in this Matter of Impositions, we here strike, not only at a Flower,but at the Root of the Crown : - At the Crown itself, standing upon the King's Head. - That they would -
Sir Ro. Phillippes; - The Charge or Aspersion of our House, of Two Parts: 1. Matter of Discretion: 2. Matter of Loyalty. -
That this Divine said, that, if we should come thither, to confer with the Lords, we would utter Matter of Mutiny and Sedition, &c.
That no other Ground for this yet than a general Rumour; which sufficient; as in the Matter for the Undertakers. - That fit to question him, as he doth use, upon Fame. -
Wisheth a Message to the Lords, to let them know, there is such a Rumour: To desire of them to know whether it be true. If they neglect us (as hopeth he will not) then to let it be known, we shall neglect Lords, if Lords neglect this House. - To do this To-morrow, by Sir Edw. Hobby. -
A Petition to his Majesty, not to prefer any Traducer of this House.
Mr. Wentworth - That in his Speech on Saturday, out of his Zeal, he spake, as he apprehended ; and spake of the Death of the French King, not with due Respect to him in respect of his Valour. That he spake no ill Word, nor had an ill Thought of his Majesty. That his Majesty, for Impositions is yet to be excused, finding Precedents here of it, and advised to it by his then Council.
Sir James Perrott moveth, Mr. Wentworth may be cleared : Which done by a general Acclamation.
Sir James ordered, upon the Question, to name. - Heard, that he made an Argument, not to confer, because he and they had taken the Oath of Supremacy. -
That he said, he feared, if Conference, we would use seditious Speeches not fit for them to hear. - To send a Message to the Lords, to desire of them to send Word, what -
That the Committee for Privileges may consider what a fit Course for this House, if the Lords right us not.
Mr. Ashley: - That no greater Offence can be, than to tax our Loyalty and Discretion. That the Clergy took it ill, because an honourable Person of this House said here, that they were scandalous in their Lives. - Sure they are scandalous in their Tongues. - Great Oneale.
Sir Wm. Strowde: - To desist from any Business, till we cleared in the King's Eye. - Proud Prelate.
Mr. Hoskyns: - Asketh Pardon, if transported with the Zeal of the Liberty of England, - That Bishop Stafford, in R. II. Time -
That all Men have here spoken with a plain Declaration of -
Tenants for Life, when but One Life remaining, the Lords Means in the West to get. -
That he maintained only by the Sweat of other Mens Brows. -
That Scotland and Germany hath swept away greater Myters than his. That we have maintained them. -
Knoweth nothing in him, except it be infinite. - Admireth nothing in him, but his Ignorance. -
To pass a Bill to seize his Bishoprick for Seven Years, for his Majesty's Supply.
Sir Tho. Grantham: - That all they of that Country disavow the Action, and wish he may be punished.
Sir D. Digges; - Not to speak too far, till we have sure Ground. - That, if true, his Tax of Loyalty the greatest that can be. -
That, if in Publick they will speak thus what will he speak, when he is alone, to the King.
Mr. Alford : - To proceed with Gravity: Not now to conclude of a Message. To commit it. - That Fisher, Bishop of Rochester, in H. VIII. Time, said, there was nothing with the Commons, but, Down with the Church.
- That then they went to the King, not to the Lords. - To search the Precedents, and then to do accordingly.
Sir W. Chute: - That the King hath of late been ill-informed of this House. - Attended by his Place (of Cutter of his Meat) the King last Night at Supper. - He discovered more than fatherly, his motherly, Affection to this House. - Glad, one now named, who may peradventure discover more ill Friends to this House. -
That his Majesty said for the Patent for Glass, he looked for Thanks for it from this House; for had taken great Pains in it: Had given Order for the drawing it, to my Lord Cooke: Had refused 1,000l. for it; distributing it -
That he said, that some of his learned Counsel, and a grave Member of this House, and the Counsel for the Patentees, hemmed down, when they would speak. -
That he excused the Proceedings of the House. - That his Majesty wished his Affection might be made known to the House. - Alloweth the first Motion.
Sir Tho. Bromley: - That the last Speech a Parenthesis.
Sir Edw. Hobby: - Speaketh only to the Parenthesis.
- Sithence spoken only at Meal, desireth to know whether he had Warrant to speak that he did, or no.
Sir Geor. Moore: - Not fit for a loyal Man to take well a Tax of Disloyalty. - Moveth a Commitment this Afternoon.
Mr. Duncombe: - Worthy to have his Head set on Tower-hill, if that true, he hath thus taxed the House, to strike at the Root of the Crown, &c. That, in Fisher's Case, the House sat no more till the King had righted the House. That the King thereupon sent, and took him from the House. - To be committed this Afternoon.
Mr. Terringham: - Will not tell them News from Court.
Sir Wm. Walter; - That neither the King, nor late Queen, ever in that Danger by open Violence, or secret Conspiracy, as now by private Whisperings; principally by this in an open Parliament. - The Man not worth the naming. - To go by Precedent - Not to sit till we cleared from this Imputation of Disloyalty.
Sir Tho. Hobby; - Disliketh going to the Lords. A like Message last Parliament; no Satisfaction by it. - To go immediately to the King, by the Speaker. To have the Message considered by a Committee. - That Mr. Secretary's Speech in this House, by Consent of the Convocation-house, complained of to the King, by Two Bishops, appointed by them. - Delays by going to the Lords. - No Business to be treated of, till this cleared.
Sir Tho. Roe; - To go to the Lords, only to know whether this Fame true. This then known -
Nothing more to the King, nor Subjects, than Unity in Minds, Purses, &c.
Sir W. Heale: - To have Mr. Speaker go presently to the King, with some of the House.
Mr. Brooke: - That, about Three Hours sithence, he heard of these Words spoken by my Lord of Lincolne.
- Marvelled, which of my Lord of Lincolnes it was; for each of them the most egregious in their several Ranks.
- Heard, it was the Bishop. Marvelled not much of it. Knew him at Cambridge, and of what Hopes he then was. Sorry, he that placed him hath left us such a Relique. -
Time to deliberate. - 6 H. VIII. Kelawaye's Reports:
- A Bishop hath said in the Higher House, that - That hereupon the King met with the Lords, Judges, and some of this House. -
That, about 21 H. VIII. Laws made here, about Nonresidents ; at which Fisher so angry, as, within Two Year after, lost his Head. -
A select Committee, to set down the Words. - Some Punishment to keep him a-while from his Punishment, - Against Cessation: That should punish the King, and ourselves.
Sir Maw. Berkeley; - To proceed upon this Fame. To go to the King. - A Committee this Afternoon.
Sir. Edw. Hobby: - If any Good from the Lords, it is from the Temporal. - Upon, a former Message by him, scarce good Words; no Effect,
Privilege - Reflections on the House.
Sir Jerome Horsey: - That continual Interruptions all this Parliament. This Bone, among the rest, thrown in by a Devil; if a Bishop may be a Devil. That the Speech of an honourable Person in this House hath rubbed them, and they now winch. - To right that honourable Person to the King, if he will let us know, he was questioned,
- Great Oneale. That these Words of Sedition in him.
- Sorry, such as he have the King's Ear so much. Wisheth a select Committee, to consider of an immediate Message to his Majesty. - To proceed to no other Business, till then.
Sir John Bowcer: - A select Committee this Afternoon. - To go immediately this Afternoon. To proceed in no Business, till righted.
Mr. Monperson, - against the Cessation of the Publick Business, by this private Traduction. - Not to give him so much Honour, as to think he can take away our Name.
Sir Roger Owen : - Treason to kill any Judge. This greater (if true) to rob us of our Opinion of our Loyalty. -
The Parliament in Spaine hath more Liberty than here. - Privilege from Arrests. - Part of the Contribution to the King. -
Dr. Cowell's Book. - Dr. Parker, Dean of Lincolne: Preferred sithence : Bishop of Bristow. - Bishop of Canterbury - Speeches reported, and by Mr. Hoskyns. The Bishop died shortly after. - A select Committee, to see the Precedents, to consider of the Words, and Way to be taken. - Not to go to the Lords. - A Ship doth nothing, but by sounding. - Not to proceed. - Banishment for less Offence. - Sent hither from the Higher House.
Mr. Crew: - That this striketh deep to this Body, which we represent. - That we should be traduced (doing for the Good of the Commonwealth) should be traduced with Perjury or Sedition. -
This strange, that debating only the Right of imposing should be ar .....
That here the King's Power may be holden not to be warranted or agreeable with the Law.
Not to go immediately to the King. - Nimis propere, minus prospere. -
Not to do it without Accusers. Common Fame too weak a Ground in this Case. - If any Wrong here to any of the Lords, we would have punished it, by calling him to the Bar, or sending him up. - If this spoken by the Bishop, they should have done as much. - To send to the Lords, to know, whether this true, or not; then to consider of what Course fittest. - To consult this Afternoon, and to have it reported To-morrow. - To stay the Message to the Lords, till we receive their Message about the Conference.
Sir Francis Goodwyn; - To go to the Lords for a certain Information of the Truth of the Fact. -
Report, that many of the Lords have given an honourable Testimony of this House.- - Moveth, no Cessation.
Mr. Jo. Glanvyle: - To go to the Lords first: For common Fame's either remote or near : Where remote, to proceed upon that; for that no Likelihood to find it out: But because this passed in the Upper House, which is so nigh; fit to know the Truth of the Fact, - Hateth the Author (if true) as the Devil,
Sir Jo. Savile; - If we go to the Lords, this to make the Lords Accusers: To go therefore immediately to the King. - The Indignation of the House, at the first Motion ; yet every Occasion of Mirth entertained : Wisheth more Gravity. -
For clearing Mr. Secretary : For, if he appeal not to this House, he wrongeth the House, which is to clear him. -
His own Words, that some Scotts had said -
Moveth, Mr. Speaker may name some Committees. .
Mr. Tomkyns: - Not to transfer the Fault from the Person to the Place of Bishops ; which of good Account.
That one called him a mytered Gentleman,
Mr. Speaker: - Not to give Retribution of ill Words, to them. - Commendeth Sir Jo. Savyle's Admonition, for holding Gravity.
A select Committee, to consider of the Words, the Ground thereof, and the fittest Course to take, by Search of Precedents or otherwise :
Mr. Secretary, Sir D. Digges, Sir Edw. Sands, Sir Edw. Hobby, Mr. Crew, Sir Ro. Rich, all that have spoken, Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Ro. Mawnsell, Sir H. Wotton, Sir A. Cope, Mr. Hackwill, Sir Ro. Johnson, Sir Nich. Smyth, Mr. Whitlocke, Sir Wm. Cavendish, Sir Robert Drury, my Lord Clifford, Sir H. Cary, Mr. Dunn, Sir H. Nevill : - This Afternoon, in this House. Mr. Alford: - Every Man to bring in, in Paper, what he hath heard.
Mr. Secretary: - Not to have any Cessation, because it doth impeach his Majesty, as if he would not do us Justice.
Committees.
All the Committees to be put off this Afternoon.