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Veneris, 20o Maii
Dyer's Estate.
L. 1. AN Act to give Liberty to Sir Wm. Dyer Knight, and Dame Katheryne his Wife, to sell certain Lands, for the Payment of Debts, and raising Portions for younger Children.
Langivew Hospital, &c.
L. 1. An Act for the Founding of the Hospital of Roger Edwards, in the Parish of Langivew, within the County of Monmowth, and for the Incorporating of the said Hospital; and for the Erecting of a Grammar-school in the Town of Uske, in the said County.
Foreign Books.
L. 2. An Act concerning printing and binding of Books, printed, and brought from beyond the Seas: - Dashed.
Heron's Estate.
L. 2. An Act for Confirmation of a Sale of Lands, made by Sir Edw. Heron, Knight, to . . Molesworth Esquire.
Mr. Fuller: - That great Care to be taken -
Sir Jo. Brooke - That the Lands, to be assured, are of far greater Value than the Lands now to be assured, to be sold. -
Committed to Mr. Fuller, Sir H. Poole, Sir Jo. Brooke, Mr. Christopher Brooke, the Knights and Burgesses of Lincolne, Mr. Bartelett, Sir Jo. Hollis, Mr. Hackwyll, Sir Jerome Horsey, Sir Jo. Savyle, Sir Roger Owen, Sir Tho. Row, Sir Miles Fleetewood, my Lord Clifford, Mr. Dobleday, Sir Ro. Brett, Mr. Pytt, Sir Edmond Ludlow, Mr. Jo. Glanvyle, Mr. Middleton . - Thursday next, Temple Hall.
Pelham's Estate.
Sir H. Poole reporteth Mr. Pelham's Bill, without any Amendment. Ordered to be ingrossed.
Wales.
Mr. Davys reporteth the Bill of Grace for Wales, with some Amendments and Additions; which twice read; and ordered to be ingrossed, together with the Amendments.
Debts.
Mr. Serjeant Mountague reporteth the Bill concerning Assignment of Debts; wherein something omitted, other added: Omitted; the Preface in Part: Added; that the King shall take no Remedy. Ordered to be ingrossed. -
Sheriffs Accounts.
2. For passing of the Accounts of Escheators, &c. with Addition. -
That the Exchequer-men heard in Person. That they all professeth these Fees were all their Means of Living, and these Fees ancient.
Sir Wm. Strowd: - That my Lord Chief Baron desired to be heard with his Counsel in this; because it totally taketh away One Office, which is the only Office in his Gift; which is the Clerks of the *.
Mr. Ashley: - That both Inconvenience, and Danger, in these Bills : Inconvenience; in taking away all Fees, which the Freehold of the Officers : The Dangers; that, if no Seizures go out, and so the Lands be not meddled with (the King will not lose his Debt) the King will send out Process against the Body. - That Mr. Osborne's Office by this quite put down. - Knoweth not what to conclude. - To take away all Fees -
Mr. Hackwill moveth, my Lord Chief Baron may have his Counsel heard for Sir Wm. Strowde's Motion. - That this Office not worth -
Re-committed to the same Committees, in the Exchequer Chamber, on Tuesday; and Counsel to be heard; and that Mr. Chancellor shall then bring forth the Note, he hath, of the Officers of the Exchequer's Fees. Mr. Chancellor agreeth to this. -
Homage.
3. The Bill for Respite of Homage; without any Alteration. -
That Mr. Osborne desireth to be heard.
Mr. Alford: - That, at the Committee, he desired some Distress might. -
That, if nothing will be taken away, but the Officer's Fees, he thinketh little Grace in it.
Mr. Hitchcocke: - That hath an Act of Parliament, . . H. VI. wherein all these Officers Fees set down.
Sir Cary Reynolds: - That Mr. Osborne produced an ancient Patent, confirmed by an Act of Parliament, last Parliament. -
Re-committed to the same Committees, at the same Time and Place.
Vere's Nat.
Mr. Mallett reporteth Sir Horace Vere's Bill, without any Amendment.
Grievances.
Sir Edw. Sands moveth, the Committee for Petitions may sit at Two of the Clock; and that, if Cause, this Committee may have Power to send for the Lawyers from the other Committees. -
That this Committee have perused the old Grievances, and his Majesty's Answer; which, in many Parts, very gracious and full: Yet, as in a Garden, clean weeded, Weeds next Year ; so here, by new Patents, Proclamations, &c. - Moveth, every one here may take the Titles of them into Consideration, which he read; that so every Man may give Assistance, by his Knowlege, and Information. -
The Four Shires. - That his Majesty, by his Letter to this House, signified, he would, after Midsummer then next, give Leave to any Man to try his Right, &c. - Moveth, this may be sent for to the Master of the Rolls, to be sent hither; and that the Copy of the Petition may be, by the Clerk, transmitted to the Committee for Petitions : Both which ordered accordingly.
Ordered, The Hour, for the Petitions, shall be Two of the Clock.
Ordered, The said Committee may send for the Lawyers to assist them.
Putto's Patent.
Mr. Alford moveth, Mr. Putto may bring in his Patent upon Tuesday next: Which ordered.
Ecclesiastical Grievances.
Sir Edw. Mountague moveth, a Consideration of the ecclesiastical Grievances. - Four in Number: 1. Execution of the Laws against Jesuits. 2. Non-residents and Pluralities. 3. Some Relief of silenced Ministers. 4.
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Sir R. Cotton's Letter.
Mr. Speaker produceth Sir Ro. Cotton's Letter, in Answer of his to Sir R. Cotton.
Sir Ro. Cottons Letter read; and the Key, by Order to Sir Edw. Mountague; who, with Mr. Cotton, of the Temple, Mr. Hackwill, Sir Ro. Owen, Mr. Hopkins - Only an Extract to be delivered out.
Master of the Rolls.
Mr. Hoskins moveth, Sir Ro. Phillippes may be the Messenger, to desire the foresaid Letter of the Master of the Rolls.
Letters for Records.
Mr. Hackwill moveth. Two other Letters may be sent toTwo such Persons, as he shall name to Mr. Speaker, concerning Records : - Ordered.
Records of the House.
Sir H. Croftes, from the Committee of Petitions, moveth, that the Committee for Privileges may consider of a fit Place, for keeping of the Records of this House; and that the said Committee may consider of the same, the first Business on Saturday.
Sir Tho. Rowe moveth, that Mr. Wilson is thought to have many of the Books and Papers belonging to this House, which came to my Lord Treasurer's Hands by Mr. Ewen's Will.
That he may be ordered, by the Committee for Privileges, to bring to them what he hath, and to discover what he knoweth about them. - Ordered: -
And Sir Tho. Rowe to be One of the Committee for Privileges, if he were none before.
Cloth Patent.
Mr. Middleton speaketh against the new Patent for dyeing and dressing Cloth. - That, like Watermen, look one Way, row another Way. - Sepulchre : - Fair without, dead Bones within. - That all the Merchants-adventurers convented before the Council Table, and there pressed, whether they would dye and dress all the Cloth; they concluded it to be infeasible. - If to be done with a Pen, or an Argument at Council Table, Mr. A. Cockayne will do it. -
That now they have a Patent, to carry out other Cloths, not dyed, or dressed. That they may ship in strange Bottoms, as well as English: Have Liberty to Strain, stretch, or use any other Sleights about the Cloth. That such be of this Company, as have underwritten in Four Books : One with my Lord Mayor; another with Sir Stephen Some; another with .... a fourth with one Baynam, a poor Upholster by the Exchange. The last Day of June the last Day any may underwrite; and none to underwrite, but such, as the Governor liketh; where he hath as good an Inheritance in his Trade as any Man hath in his Lands. That many hundred of Families in his Case. Many of their Children here must be turned home. That the Clothiers, the Bride, must come to this Wedding. - Moveth, a Committee, to consider; and that Mr. Cockayne may bring hither the Four Books; that it may appear how the Title and Conditions, with which they underwrite, do agree; and that the Merchants may also be sent for. -
The Project at the Council, that 5,000 Strangers were to be brought in, to do this. -
He of Opinion, that we have too great a Clothing Commonwealth already. That he and his Partner maintain above 3,000 Workmen. -
(Carriers, Drones. - )
That the Exchequer hath had out of his, and his Partner's Purse, above 20,000l. per Annum.
Sir Jo. Sammes, - That the Reason of Cloth at a stand, because the Merchant Adventurer keepeth him so. -
That temp. Ed. III. the Custom of Wool 68,000l. per Annum. Then Cloth first made here.
That temp. H. VII. a Law made against. -
That the Merchants carry over no Cloth undressed, but contrary to Law, and with a Non obstante. -
That we have more Materials for dyeing here, than they, where done. -
That they gain above 700,000 l. per Annum, by dyeing and dressing of our Cloths. - Sheweth, there is shortly a Bill to come in.
Sir Ro. Phillippes: - That the Weight of this Question great. - Moveth a Reference to the Committee of Petitions ; and that Mr. Alderman Cockayne -
Sir Jo. Savyle: - That 4 or 5,000 l. Cloth, of their Country, now in the Town, which lieth upon their Hands.
- Few Buyers. - 13,000 Men set on Work within Ten Mile of his House: 2,000 Housholders of them, whose Stock not above 20 l. many, 5l.(That the Cloths in his Country -
300 Housholders, Makers of Cotton, not worth 30s. -
That this State of their Country cannot endure a Month.
Sir Ed. Gyles moveth, this Matter may be committed.
Sir H. Poole: - That the Clothiers, for his Country, complain, they can have no Vent for their Cloths, at any reasonable Rate. - Moveth for a present Remedy.
Sir Wm. Strowde: - That the Danger imminent. - Findeth Fault, the Bill came not in, till the Complaint
Mr. Gibb: - That an Alderman lately told a poor Clothier, making his Complaint, that e'er long he should buy Cloths at a cheaper Rate. The Alderman, upon the Question, named to be Alderman Cockayne.
Sir Wm. Cope: - That the Dyeing and Dressing would prove a great Happiness. That the Reason of the not venting now of Cloths, because the Clothiers have raised the Prices of their Cloths, by Combination with the Merchant Adventurers.
Mr. Sherwill: - That the Mischief will be great, if a present Course for venting be not had. That the Merchants cannot now have so much for the Cloths, by 5 l. in a Cloth.
Sir Tho. Vavasor moveth a Commitment. - That the Merchant Adventurers, no gods; but the only Impostors. That they have practised with the Clothiers.
Mr. Alford moveth, the Bill may be read To-morrow, and so with Speed again, and so be committed. Seemeth to speak for the Bill. - That disputed here last Parliament. That Mr. Tate sat in the Chair last Time.
Mr. Fuller, - against the Alteration of so great a Matter by the Privy Council, which only fit to be debated here. - Moveth a present Commitment.
Sir H. Anderson, accordant; in respect of the Price of Corn.
Mr. Brooke: - That not well done of Sir Tho. Vavasor, to call the Merchant Adventurers Impostors. - Not to innovate, without the Law of Greece.
Mr. Cowcher: - For a present Remedy.
Mr. Thorpe, accordant.
Sir Jo. Nollys, accordant; - Yet, that this but a returning ad principium, because holden by the Merchant Adventurers by a Non obstante: And that the new Merchants may, for the present -
Mr. Hyde: - That this Question handled 39 Eliz. Then holde, 1. If feasible, the greatest Benefit, that can come to the Land : 2ly, If the Cloths will be vented. - Moveth a present Committee.
Mr. Venables moveth, the Merchant Adventurers Patents may be called in, and so the new Patent questioned; and that to be done, which is fittest for the Commonwealth.
Ordered, The Consideration of this Matter shall be committed to a Committee of the whole House, Tomorrow in the Afternoon; and the Buying up of the Cloths, now lying upon the Clothiers Hands, to be first concluded of; and Mr. Alderman Cockayne, the Merchant Adventurers, Clothiers, or any other, that are interested, or can inform the Committee of the true State of the Business, to be present, and heard.
Committees.
And all other Committees to be, for that Afternoon, put off.