House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 23 February 1607 (2nd scribe)

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In this section

Lunae, 23o Die Februarii, 1606

Cutton Manor.

1. Reading: - B. To convert the Manor and the Prebend of Cutton, in the County of Devon (being a Prebend sine cura) to the Maintenance of a Free-school.

Ramsden's Nat.

1. Reading: - B. For the Naturalizing of John Ramsden, Gentleman.

Wheat &c.

1. Reading : - B. to avoid the Wasting of Wheat, and other Grain, by Making of it into Starch.

Cloth Trade.

2. Reading: - B. For the true Making of Woollen Cloths: - Mr. Attorney-general, Sir Geo. Moore, to be added : - The former Committee the last Session.

Union with Scotland.

Mr. Brock reporteth the Committee on Saturday. - Argued almost by Twenty; Two of the King's Counsel. - A Civilian : - Three several Unions:

1. Where One Kingdom, subaltern to another, shall enjoy the Privileges. - Ireland an Example.

2. Where Two Kingdoms severally united. Difference between unum, and unitum: The one not so good.

3. A Union, secundum quid; quoad obedientiam. Quaelibet res unita retinet suam propriam. - King One Body natural, yet Two representative. - Compared : One Man Parson of Two Parishes.

Mr. Noy: - Admit King Phillip had Issue Male, he should have enjoyed all his Territories. They should be naturalized, we should not. -

A Law : All in Kent should inherit in Essex, those of Essex should not.

Mr. D. James: - 1. Union absoluta et perfecta, in omnibus, et per omnia.

2. Union, secundum quid: Governed sub diversis regulis. - That they were not naturalized.

Sir Rob. Hitcham uttered nothing but Cases put before.

A Speech of great Reading; for he read almost Two Leaves.

Mr. Noy: - Gascoigne Case mistaken: For they are not naturalized. -

To make a Naturalization, they must needs be ad fidem Regis Angliae, -

R. II. - Aquitaine so annexed to the Crown of England, -

Monarchy by Propagation, by Admiration of Virtue, by Necessity. Virtue more admired in concreto, than in abstracto. -

Whosoever was bound to defend, &c. to be naturalized.

- Extend to them born before. -

Sir Dan. Dun: - Naturalization, originalis, aut municeps. -

Jus regni jus gentium, jus publicum, jus privatum. -

Authority in the Civil Law sufficient for Naturalization. -

Naturalized, not jure civitatis, sed ejus jure, qui imperat civitatem. -

Ipso jure not naturalized ; but the King might declare them naturalized: It was a Regality appertaining to him. -

The greatest Effect of Service must be rewarded with the greatest Benefit.- -

The Case of Mines. - The most excellent Metals. - Lions, Elephants. -

Ans. Tied to Defence for some other Reason, than by the Law of the Kingdom.

Object. All, that are in Leagues defensive, naturalized. -

Jus civitatis, jus Latii, jus provinciae, in Rome. -

In respect of the King, and of the Kingdom. - Defences differ. Defence, quatenus. - All Slaves naturalized. -

A Question passed, that they were not naturalized.

Union with Scotland.

Sir Edw. Hobby: - Where the Lords sent twice unto us, to confer ; Ans. When we were ready we would : To send, that we will be ready, for this Point of Naturalization, at any time after this Day.

The Message was sent by Sir John Fortescue.

Committees.

Inmates; Marshalsea; Leather-sellers; - This Day, in the Exchequer.

Mr. D. Baro. -

Privilege.

Mr. Diggs moveth for Privilege for the Servant of Mr. Davyes, a Member of the House; who being, Five Days after the Adjournment, arrested, the Party told of it, he said, he would prosecute him, and proceed notwithstanding. - Francis Greene, at whose Suit: John Michell.

Union with Scotland.

The Answer: Their Lordships took it well: Appointed Wednesday, at Two a Clock, with the former Committee.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - All the Arguments of several Natures, to be distributed, and agreed, amongst the Committees, and presented to the House; that they may agree, upon whom to impose the several Natures of Arguments.

This agreed; and the Committees appointed to meet this Afternoon, in the House, and to report their Proceeding To-morrow.

Committees.

All Committees put off till Thursday.