House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 18 April 1604 (2nd scribe)

Mercurii, 18o Die Aprilis, 1604

Alehouses, &c.

THE Bill concerning Alehouses, Taverns, Inns, and common Brewers : - The first Reading.

Ditto.

The Bill for avoiding the superfluous Number of Ale-houses, and the great Disorders in Inns and Victualling-houses : - The first Reading.

Apparel.

The Bill touching Apparel, brought in by Sir Edw. Mountague, with Amendments; and the Amendments twice read; and ordered to be ingrossed.

Free Trade.

The Bill for all Merchants to have free Liberty of Trade into all Countries, as is used in all other Nations:

- The first Reading.

Extortion.

The Bill concerning Extortion, intituled of new, An Act for the better Execution of Justice, brought in by Mr. Serjeant Snig, from the Committees, with Amendments; which were twice read ; and ordered to be ingrossed.

Soldiers.

For the Soldiers Relief, Sir Oliver St. John's Motion,

- to meet in the Star-chamber, on Friday next, in the Afternoon.

Transporting Ordnance.

The Bill for the Transportation of Ordnance: - The third Reading, and passed, upon the Question.

Liberties of the Subject,

The Bill to confirm unto the Subjects of this Realm their ancient Liberties, brought in from the Committees, by Mr. Winch, without any Amendment; but a new offered by him, intituled, An Act to confirm to the Commons their Freedoms and Liberties.

Outlaws, &c. not to be inParliament.

A Act to disable all outlawed Persons, and Persons in Execution, and all Recusants convicted, to be of the Parliament. - Third Reading, and dashed, upon the Question. - Not one Yea. - Set down, upon Sir Edw. Hobbye's Motion.

Opposed by Mr. Holt, Sir Henry Beamount, Mr. Yelverton, Mr. Hext, Mr. Hedley, Sir Edw. Hobbey.

Bills sent to Lords.

Bills sent up, Ten ; - Four Restitutions ; Lady Nottingham ; Ordnance; Delivery of Prisoners; Entries with Force ; Common Recoveries; Mr. Lucas' Bill ; All sent up to the Lords by Mr. Secretary Herbert.

Knights Fees.

The Lords are intended to have so many Knights fees, and therefore he sitteth in the Kings Chamber. No Lord could sit, except he had so many.

Transporting Ordnance.

The Bill of the Ordnance, to be sent up with special Recommendation; and to desire to stay the Ordnance now ready to be transported. - 400 Ton.

Religion.

Sir Fr. Hastings, touching the Motion formerly made for Religion : - That the Lords may be moved for a Conference, touching those Matters of Religion, and ecclesiastical Government; generally with the Lords; together with the Time and Place : The Motion to be made by such as go up with the Bills. Some Time of Intermission, the Requests of the Committees ; as Matters recommended by his Majesty. A Message from his Majesty. - A Power given, by the King's Letters Patents, to the Convocation-house, to debate, consider, and determine. - The King will make no new Precedents; will protect us in that we have, and not subject us to any other ; but wisheth, that we may confer (as we assented) with the Bishops, as Lords of the Parliament. -

Union.

That they fall into Resolution for Conference in the Matter of the Union.

Bills.

The Bills of this House first, and those, which came from the Lords, last, to be presented to the Lords.

Purveyors.

The Petition, touching the Abuses of Purveyors, Tomorrow Morning to be read.

Private Bills.

To-morrow in the Afternoon to sit about private Bills.

Ecclesiastical Possessions.

Mr. Attorney, Mr. D. Stanhope, Mr. D. Swale, bring, from the Lords, An Act against the Diminution of the Possessions of Archbishops and Bishops, and for Avoiding of Dilapidations of them : - Passed with great Applause, and proceedeth merely from the King's own religious Piety, and from his own princely and Christian Motion.

Purveyors.

Being put to the Question, Whether the Petition to the King, touching the Abuses of Purveyors, should be presently read ; upon the Division of the House,

With the Yea, 153. The Noe, 185.

To be read To-morrow Morning.

Conference with Bishops.

Mr. Secretary Herbert reporteth from the Lords, of the Return of the Answer to the Message, touching the Conference with the Bishops: - The Lords have taken Time till To-morrow, to consider of the Answer.

Union with Scotland.

Union. -

Sir Edw. Grevill; - The King lineally descended from the Blood of both England and Scotland. Great Good to come unto us, by changing the Name. Scotland to receive Good by us. An Equality may best fit. By the Name of Brittany, return ad pristinam dignitatem ; to Antiquity; which is most honourable; -

Long continued in the Name of England, glorious, and famous. -

Not so much to think of the Name, as the Reason of Change. The Reason is, the Uniting of Two ancient, valiant, and great, Kingdoms. -

Ob. A Fear of War by the Change. -

Psal. " Behold how good and blessed a Thing Unity is."

Sir Rob. Wingfield propoundeth, for a due Course, 1. "the Alteration of the Name: 2. The further Proceeding in Alteration, and Reconcilement, of Laws, and Privileges, &c. - Whether the Name to be proceeded in, as the rest.

Sir John Heigham: - Salomon, "Preparation in the Heart of Man, but the Answer from the Lord." -

King H. VIII. - The Counsel of King E. VI. In the last Queen's Time, this Union affected many Ways. If the Queen, in her Time, had commanded it, should we have refused it?

Sir Edw. Hobby: - Touching the Name, and the Matter of the Union, what was referred. The Matter of the Name presently. - To confer with the Lords, touching the Alteration of the Name.

Mr. Fra. Moore: - A Conference, not to bind, but to move. For the Union of the Name, to debate amongst ourselves. - The Naming of the Commissioners. - To confer, touching the Alterations.

Mr. Hoskyns: - l. What God hath done : 2. What we are to do: 3. What we cannot do. -

God hath made an Union. Without God's Supportance nothing can stand. Tygris and Euphrates are run together, and the Noise is gone throughout the World. The King may name it at his Pleasure. -

2. We Subjects, since we see it done by God, are to join to give Obedience to the King; neither for Reason of Policy, nor for Reason of .... but for Christianity, in imitating God. -

Princes affect Length of Titles. One took up his Breath, in recking the Titles of the Emperor of Russia: Ill taken; and he not entertained, except he could go thorough. -

3. What can we not do ? We cannot make it perpetual. - Unus Rex, una Britannia, unum imperium; Unus Deus, una fides, unum baptisma.

Mr. Nath. Bacon: - The King hath not offered it, but upon great Deliberation. -

1. Distaste of Scottish and English taken away. - Less Union in Hearts, if it be not effected.

Sir Geo. Moore: - God is our true Guide. - Nature.. - Let us see, what Light we may receive from God in our Proceedings. -

No Separation between the Two Kingdoms; if any, imaginary. Nature was never set a-work to divide them. -

Sol occubuit, nox nulla secuta est. After the Queen's Death, Expectation of Horror and Confusion ; but the Star, that came from the North, &c. -

Being his Children, the King's Care, that we should have all one Name. - Let there be no Cause of Strife, for we are Brethren. -

Si vis regnare, divide. Machivell. An irreligious Saying. -

Not so pertinent, to yield Opinions, until the Conference. -

Caesar. - Territa quaesitis ostendit terga Britannia. -

Et genus, et proavos, et quae non fecimus ipsi, Vix ea nostra voco - Therefore not our Fame.

Pedibus ire sententia. To go slowly to work in this Matter. To yield a Conference, and a speedy Conference. To proceed only to resolve of a Conference.

Sir Maurice Berkley: - No Man knows, whether Scotland will agree. - Verbaque promissam rem non invita

sequuntur. - Let Scotland seek it. This Kingdom the more glorious, the more honourable.

Sir Geo. Carewe: - Instruction to be drawn for the Committee.

Mr. Brook, of York: - Peace the Child of War. Argument a Light of Truth. Names of Nations, &c. the Titles of Kings; therefore no Trifles. -

Twenty Year since, a great Controversy between the papists, English, Scottish. The Queen of Scotland to be called Queen of Scotland, England, France, and Ireland: The English, aliter, ut nunc est. B. Rosse, to make an End,

- King of Great Brittaine. Scotts well content.

Lucius the first Christian King. -

That every Man should deliver his Opinion.

Sir H. Jenkins: - The King the greatest Orator, though many have spoken. God, and Nature, greater. - 1. For staying of Effusion of Blood : 2. For taking away Factions in several Names. - In all Conquests, the Kingdom of England continued his Name. In Scotland, Man and Wife keep their Names. So may the Two Kingdoms marry together, and yet keep their Names. -

Accession of the Kingdom of Scotland. - England never subject to One Monarchy. No Precedent, that England was subject to any One Monarchy.

Sir Oliver St. John : - The Parliament in Scotland hath already consented. - To hasten the Conference.

Sir Edw. Hobby. -

To-morrow, at Eight a Clock, to consider. . . .